Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of notable snooker players


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The result was Keep. Eluchil404 05:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

List of champion snooker players

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(Renamed from List of notable snooker players). The Transhumanist 23:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a subjective and undefinable list. Quite aside from the strong implication that any other players not on this list aren't notable (thereby potentially provoking a huge WP:N debate) there seems to be no set criteria for inclusion on this list, other than a subjective opinion which can easily be challenged and argued over ad nauseum. The opening sentence says "champion players", but champion of what? There is an article already for World Championship winners, and if any sort of competition win is criteria enough, where do you draw the line? For example, why is Marco Fu, a player who has never won a ranking event, on the list whereas other players with comparable achievements are not? In my opinion, the articles List of World Snooker Champions and List of snooker players are useful enough and make this list irrelevant. Tx17777 15:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am happy to find a suitable compromise on what the name of the article is. The original point of the article is exactly what you highlighted.  A "List of snooker players" can become as lengthy as anyone who has ever picked up a cue - even a "List of professional snooker players" would still run into the very many of hundreds.  Conversely a "List of world championship winners" specifically misses notable players who should be mentioned, Jimmy White being possibly the most obvious one.  Thus the original aim of the article was to cover the ground between the big winners and the many hundreds who have picked up a cue in professional circles.  I don't know that this is best served through the channels of an AfD, and would be happier to find a solution through the article talk page - my faith in AfD these days is low - folks with a deletionist mindset browse by, see the words "list" and "notable" and state that it should be deleted without giving any care for the reasons why the article exists as I just outlined.  I am happy to find a name compromise, thus would suggest a Rename, decided by talk page discussion. SFC9394 16:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll happily concede that there is a place on Wikipedia for a list of top snooker players. I just feel that this particular article, in its current state, doesn't address this and lacks any sort of consensus as to who or what should be included - it feels more like one individual's "top 20 list". Neither do I feel that a rename to "List of top snoker players" as suggested on the talk page is a workable alternative (we're just getting into semantics there). Maybe a rename would be a good option to set a good base for a decent encyclopedic article if a suitable alternative is found, but only if we can settle on what acheivements are relevent. Tx17777 16:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Move to List of championship snooker players. No reason to delete.  Jonathan  letters to the editor — my work  16:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Move per Jonathan. This list can be fixed up easily with a simply narrowing of criteria.  His title clearly defines the list, and makes it workable per WP:LIST. --Jayron32| talk | contribs  17:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and Move as per SFC9394. I think everyone, including the nominator, seems to be in agreement that the problem is more the use of the word "notable" than the dreaded "L-word"; this is the best method of organizing information concerning the achievements of champion snooker players; I'm assuming that any non-champs have come close.  Be bold, SFC, rename it anything you want.  Mandsford 17:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done (Renamed, that is.) The Transhumanist 23:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


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