Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of nudity in music videos (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus is that this is a notable article topic, and that the prose text should be expanded, possibly spinning it off or reframing the page as an article instead of as a list.  Sandstein  06:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

List of nudity in music videos
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There is insufficient indication that this is an encyclopedic topic. The intersection of nudity and music videos appears trivial (as would, say List of barnyard animals in music videos or List of nudity in perfume advertisements). The previous AfD closed on 11 May 2009 with all keep !votes indicating a need for stricter inclusion criteria...none have been proposed and the list has only expanded with no direction. The semi-redeemable content (last 3 sentences of 1st paragraph) would do better in articles on nudity, music videos or maybe a censorship topic. Bottom line: this does not appear to be a notable topic in its own right. &mdash; Scientizzle 21:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. This is a trivial intersection, yes, just like most of the lists we host which are trivial and indiscriminatory.  :(   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 21:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Non encyclopedic trivial cruft. Dr. Blofeld       White cat
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 23:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 23:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. The subject of nudity in music videos is not trivial, it's a notable topic, see all these sources:. I sourced some of the entries back in May before losing interest, but it's perfectly possible to source them, whereas I highly doubt anyone has written on the topic of barnyard animals in music videos - so your example is, frankly, pathetic. Nudity in music videos is still not the norm, and any entry should be sourced (or removed if it cannot be) which is why such a list is not indiscriminate, whereas "List of nudity in films" would be ridiculous. Do actually look at whether sources exist for topics before calling for their deletion. If any prudes are cheering at the prospect of deletion, if it is deleted I'll simply create "Nudity and sex in music videos" using all the sources I've listed. Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If it isn't a trival subject, then why can't it be moved to an article "Nudity in music videos" and discussed and written into a proper article with numerous examples given in text the way an encyclopedia article should be written? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 12:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You've made a decent argument here for an article on Nudity in music videos (currently a redirect to this list). What you haven't made is an argument to justify a list of nudity-contining music videos. I think a reasonable middle ground here would be to move the content to Nudity in music videos or Nudity and sex in music videos and strip (pun intended) the article of its haphazard list and deal with the topic as an article. Such an actual article can discuss the various ways in which nudity is portrayed and censored, notable examples of nudity in music videos, and the relative prevalence on TV in various countries and teh intarwebs. These sources would be a fine foundation for that. &mdash; Scientizzle 14:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As a further note, an article rather than a list would put the topic more in-line with related subjects (e.g., Nudity in American television, lacking a List of nudity in American television even though such nudity 'is still not the norm'.) &mdash; Scientizzle 15:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  --  Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep adequate sourcing specified above. I proposed the " but use stricter criteria--at least for the more recent years (eg, topless is no longer all that significant). Possibly even limit to known performers, not just some person in the background." last time, but there is no deadline on improvement. If the nominator thinks it's urgent, nothing is stopping him from doing it.    DGG ( talk ) 03:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Move to Nudity in music videos I believe there's adequate sourcing for an article about the issue of "Nudity in music videos" - however as a list and in its current state it is trivial, indiscriminate and unpolicable and if not moved should be deleted. The sources listed do highlight certain videos but not all - other sources (ie ) deal with the issue in general.  Fundamentally there's no reason for this to be a list when the sources demonstrate that it could be an article that incorporates a short well sourced list of notable instances of nudity in videos (as per WP:EMBED)-- Cailil   talk 16:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Move and refactor per User:Calil. This is a legitimate topic for an article, but not a list on its own. Also, "nudity" is singular, so "List of nudity in music videos" is grammatically dubious. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Move and refactor per User:Cailil. --Simon Speed (talk) 12:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Scientizzle and Calil. Those were my points exactly. Ther eis neough sourcing to write a proper written article with text vcovering various issues and citing various examples in prose rather than some scrappy list. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep but possibly rename per Cailal. Each entry needs to clearly explain why it's included, the lede also should be overviewing all of this. If the lede and inclusion criteria aren't improved the list is less helpful to our readers without the context. Many filmmakers and experimental techniques start in music videos.  -- Banj e  b oi   08:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep notable topic and has been discussed in media over the years. Might be better per Cailil. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep not only is the list notable, the topic and the related censorship should be explored in an article. In other words, keep the list AND write an article describing the trends and policies that affect this certainly notable subject.Trackinfo (talk) 00:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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