Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of officers and commanders in the Battle of Stalingrad (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Clear consensus to not keep this, but split opinion about a merge vs. straight deletion. The arguments to delete seem stronger to me, so I'm going with that. If anybody really wants to mine the existing text for information to merge someplace, ping me and I'll be happy to userfy the article for you. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

List of officers and commanders in the Battle of Stalingrad
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Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY as this is a list with no context whatsoever, only positions, ranks, and names. This does not add anything at all to our articles about Stalingrad, unlike an OOB, because all notable commanders and major staff officers, etc. (officers not in command positions who played notable roles) will be covered in the main battle article or the articles on the sub-operations of the article. To address the keep votes of the first AfD nomination: I would like to note that WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies here as if we list all the known senior staff officers of the Axis and Soviet commands (since Stalingrad is a large battle involving thousands of staff officers on both sides), we would end up with a long list of potentially non-notable staff officers. Kges1901 (talk) 20:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2017 December 31.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 20:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- to quote the nom in the first AfD: "The information [is] already contained in Battle of Stalingrad and the associated Axis order of battle at the Battle of Stalingrad and Red Army order of battle at the Battle of Stalingrad." Basically, a redundant list with no clear purpose or context. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I was about to agree with your reasoning, however some figures - e.g. Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen, Vasili Zaitsev (whom was there but wouldn't be expected to be in the order of battle), Erhard Milch (who actually I do not understand why he belongs), or Filipp Golikov are not on the respective order of battle. In principle a list of notable officers who played a part in a campaign (also lower ranked ones) could meet inclusion notability.Icewhiz (talk) 11:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Zaytsev and Richthofen are mentioned in the main battle article. I'm not sure what Milch's role in the battle was, while Golikov should be mentioned in the main article but he isn't due to content omission as the main article is based on obsolete sources and doesn't include enough from Glantz's Stalingrad Triology. Kges1901 (talk) 12:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I don't see what the page accomplishes that the infobox on the page about the battle doesn't.-- Georgia Army Vet  Contribs  Talk  16:24, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Merge - I don't know, but this seems like a page that should be merged into Soviet order of battle for the Battle of Stalingrad and Axis order of battle for the Battle of Stalingrad. Staff officers of army, corps, and even division commanders can be listed at an order of battle, right (this was an issue brought up at the last discussion)? I'm not sure what to do with the page history, perhaps rather than deleting, redirecting to the main battle page if preservation is preferred. Smmurphy(Talk) 17:29, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge relevant content to Soviet order of battle for the Battle of Stalingrad and Axis order of battle for the Battle of Stalingrad and the history of the article should be preserved for helping further expansion on other articles. D4iNa4 (talk) 09:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment -- there's no relevant content to merge, as the article only lists the names and does not include any sources. BTW, the Axis OOB article is at Axis order of battle at the Battle of Stalingrad. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Redundant and inferior to the existing order of battle articles.  Sandstein   19:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


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