Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of organizations in the Honorverse


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No consensus for deletion; editorial decisions should be discussed on the article's talk page. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 05:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

List of organizations in the Honorverse

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non-notable, unsourced heap of plot from an alternate universe; from the same franchise authors as 1632 series. nb: recent precedent: Articles for deletion/1632 institutions. the elements here are: fictional churches, beliefs, brotherhoods, and committees. note also that the belief that 'women [are] collectively blamed for "the Fall of Man"' is not exactly original. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- Jack Merridew 05:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  -- Jack Merridew 05:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- Jack Merridew 05:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Honorverse. I think there's room to mention some of these plot details. Seems kind of fun and interesting... I mean encyclopedic. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge or redirect. AfD shouldn't be used for cleanup. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep First off, Wikipedia does not have precedent. The same types of articles in the same situations are kept or deleted based on the consensus of whoever is around at the time to comment, and the opinions of the closing editor.  Wikipedia is not paper.  There is no shortage of space on it.  There is no possible gain by deleting an article that some would fine interesting to read.  Even though the items in the article are fictional, they are still presented in a proper encyclopedic manner.  The information would not fit in the main article, so a side article for it is valid.  To say merge, is the same is saying delete 90-100% of the article.  Mentioning which books each organization was featured in, would be a good additional to the article.  These are all notable aspects of a notable fictional universe.   D r e a m Focus  10:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This article was created to keep all information that was too minor or too small to have standalone articles. All of them together, in this article, are crucial for understanding and referencing the very notable Honorverse. Debresser (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the sort of combination article we should encourage. It's the compromise solution for this sort of material. To the extent we have any general consensus or precedent, it's to keep them. To the extent we want to avoid fighting this over every fiction in the encyclopedia, we should do that.  We have no justification for not covering it in some reasonable manner, and it usually works better in a separate article. Parts that are doubtful should be explicitly sourced to the part of the primary work where they are explained. DGG (talk) 16:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG. My thoughts exactly. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article fails to demonstrate that its subject, List of organizations in the Honorverse, has received significant coverage per Notability and fails to demonstrate that such coverage is likely. In its present form the article would not pass under the proposed Notability (fiction) as it fails to show "Non-trivial real-world coverage" from "Reliable secondary sources" that are "Independent" nor that these points could be met. Wikipedia is not a fan site nor a platform for original research. The article is perfect material for the Honorverse wiki. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 03:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It says they have "2,440 articles" so it's a pretty good bet that they've got this covered. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that wp:fiction is highly contentious. Debresser (talk) 10:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as per DGG. Edward321 (talk) 15:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Jack and Marc. Their reasoning makes sense to me. - Josette (talk) 20:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG. --Cybercobra (talk) 05:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.