Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of over-the-air broadcasters in English-speaking countries (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

List of over-the-air broadcasters in English-speaking countries
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Not a useful or encyclopedically relevant list. This just indiscriminately lists any OTA television network that broadcasts in a country where English is an official language at all, even if the network itself is broadcasting in some minority language other than English (e.g. the French networks in Canada, the Spanish ones in the United States and an Afrikaans one in South Africa are also included here.) This was closed no-consensus the first time it was nominated, because the page's creator was the only participant and gave a keep rationale on the grounds that the article could be retitled and pruned — but 3.5 years later that still hasn't actually happened, so we can't just keep waiting for it. It's still not useful to maintain a list of all television networks, regardless of language, in countries where English happens to be an official language — if the matter of whether the networks actually broadcast in English or not isn't the point of the list, then the list doesn't actually have a point at all. Bearcat (talk) 00:52, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete First close was a bad close and should have remained open for a longer comment period. We have 'list of' networks for nearly every country and templates to boot; this is a completely duplicative and useless article.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:05, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you cite exactly what this is duplicative of? ~Kvng (talk) 03:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Of the nine countries listed here, six already have standalone by-country lists — List of Canadian television networks, List of television stations in Hong Kong, List of television stations in the United Kingdom, List of United States over-the-air television networks, List of free-to-air channels in New Zealand, List of Singaporean television channels — and the three that don't have standalone lists all still have embedded lists in List of television networks by country. So exactly zero of them don't already have lists of their television networks in other places — and even for the ones that have standalone sublists, the overall List of television networks by country includes links to all of those sublists, so there's no guesswork involved in figuring out where to go. "English-speaking countries" isn't a criterion on which somebody needs to see just these nine countries repackaged together, separately from all the other lists that already exist on more natural and obvious and likely search criteria — nobody's going to fail to find what they're looking for, because nobody's going to be looking for it on this axis of distinction when List of television networks by country and several by-country sublists already exist. Bearcat (talk) 04:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Bearcat cited what I would have anyways; in addition the templates for each country exist and also organize the information the same way. This list is an 'OK for 2005' type of list we would slap multiple tags on if it was created in 2018.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 05:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. I now understand how this is duplicative. Duplicative is not always a problem. I don't see a strong reason for deleting it or a strong reason for keeping it so will sit this one out. ~Kvng (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 06:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete Broadcasters are already listed by country. It could be refactored as a list of English-language broadcasters, but that list would be an equally indiscriminate collection of names. –dlthewave ☎ 18:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete- It duplicates information that can be found elsewhere.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


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