Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people born after a failed abortion attempt


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 09:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

List of people born after a failed abortion attempt

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Created to preserve the content of the POV category Category:Abortion survivors, comprising a tiny list of people notable primarily in anti-abortion propaganda. We already cover the medical concept in various other articles and don't need a list of people for a particular POV aspect of it. So NLIST problems combined with being a tiny unnecessary POV list. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 01:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:48, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: Never heard anyone group people by "abortion attempt" viz ✦ 14:26, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: It doesn't make sense to have this article, given that it appears to be duplicative of Category:American anti-abortion activists and Category:Abortion survivors. While there are some notable individuals who specifically talk about the fact that their parents tried to kill them in the womb, there's nothing unifying about the category that distinguishes them from pro-life activists more generally (who are, for obvious reasons, most likely to talk about this in public). It would be better to simply include this information in each relevant person's article, assuming that there are sufficient reliable sources and noteworthy third-party coverage of these claims related to each individual. Michepman (talk) 16:52, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: This whole article is really useless KingSkyLord (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to Michepman The Category:Abortion survivors is at WP:CFD at the moment. The voting is edging towards delete. One editor suggested that the contents be listified. To prevent information loss, I created this page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep As the creator I think that this is primarily just a factual list and not POV pushing. Arguably, the desire to delete could be seen as POV pushing. The preamble to the list was cut 'n' paste from the main abortion article. I'm not wedded to it. The article can lose the preamble but might look strange without some context. While all attempted-abortion-survivors in the current list appear to be also involved in "anti-abortion propaganda", as it is phrased above, not everybody involved in "anti-abortion propaganda" is an attempted-abortion-survivor; the sets do not overlap perfectly. I've also now included the article as part of the wider Category:Survivors which includes holocaust, lynching etc survivors. So there is precedent for this kind of thing. The article is useful as the info will be held nowhere else conveniently once the CFD is carried. For the people involved, it is a defining fact of their lives. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Only three things listed, not enough for a list article.  D r e a m Focus  05:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply After a quick Google search, I found another and added her to the list. Are we really so sure that this list has no potential to grow? Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You added a biography of a non-notable living person to a list (WP:BLPLIST) based on an exceptionally poor source (WP:RS)... &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 20:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A list is a list. There's no wiki rule that says everybody in the list has to be notable. In fact lists are for accumulations that would otherwise not be notable in their own right or worthy of articles in themselves; it is only in a list that their relevance is seen. Are we really so sure that this list has no potential to grow? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:07, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep The list isn't meant for only activists, if there is a non-activist you can add it. Oldenburg Baby wasn't an activist even if activists use it to support their position. The potential POV with the name of the category can be solved by renaming instead of deleting. Blumpf (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Am not wedded to the name. Am open to alternatives. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:59, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - being a survivor of a failed abortion attempt does not appear to confer notability, as there are many more individuals who could be included in such a list (supposedly there are a dozen or so each year in the United States, ) who are nonetheless not notable individuals. The only individuals listed here who have articles are notable for being anti-abortion activists, not because of the manner of their birth, and so I was going to suggest merging to a list of anti-abortion activist individuals, but we do not appear to have one. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:41, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with the above. I understand why the original person created this article, since it sounds like the category is being deleted or will be deleted in the future. However, I don't think that this article really makes sense as a standalone article. As a compromise, I would support including this information in the pages of the individual pro-life activists or figures listed here and potentially including a subpage on (for example) abortion or pro-life or similar articles which would include a list of people who have specifically been identified in reliable, notable sources as abortion survivors. Michepman (talk) 03:59, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As a Plan B, I could support this suggestion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.