Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people known by middle name


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. — TKD::Talk 09:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

List of people known by middle name

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There's many people known by middle names. What makes it so notable? See also Articles for deletion/List of people known by more than one given name (in combination). Spellcast 05:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:LC. Completely arbitrary, no point in this list. Faithlessthewonderboy 05:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this list, to me, is a list of loosely associated items as it is way too common for one to go by his/her middle name Corpx 05:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete list would be way too long. Sef rin gle Talk 05:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep From the above comments:
 * "There's many people known by middle names."
 * "it is way too common for one to go by his/her middle name"
 * "list would be way too long"
 * While this is certainly true (although I object to the use of the term 'middle name' in this context), there are an awful lot of people who don't seem to be aware that juxtonymy is not in the least bit unusual. While none of the individual cases may be notable, the fact that there are so many is notable. Once the scourge of schizonymacentricity is swept from the land, then by all means delete this article, but until then it remains a useful resource for those of us who wish to educate the ignorant. Grant 13:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of people having a middle name does not make this list notable. There can never be multiple, reliable sources explaining why there is something special about these people having a middle name. So it's an indiscriminate list of trivia. Spellcast 14:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not about having a so-called middle name... Grant 01:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Sorry, the practice is so common that it's not that notable, as demonstrated by the length of the list. And, as explained below, I don't think it's terribly useful.  Indeed, I think it will only make the ignorant even less educated, and boring conversation even more boring.  I can't bring myself to vote "delete" because you've done a lot of hard work, and you present it very well... the first name followed by the blue link, as in "Stephen Grover Cleveland".  However, I can't vote to keep either-- you've fallen into the common trap of wanting to list everything out of the idea that it's unfair to leave some items off.  I think the Book of Lists didn't find this concept to be worth more than one page in a paperback book.  This one is "indiscriminate" in the sense that it's mostly a list of blue-links with no explanation of why this person might be notable; and, as if the list wasn't already too long, you've made the mistake of including fictional characters and folks who use an initial for their first name, like "F. Murray Abraham".  The problem is that a superlong list becomes "unmaintainable"... you don't have time to make this your life's work, and I've already seen vandals coming in (no, Ed Asner's name isn't really "Yitzhak").   Userfy the thing, or save it to your computer.  And, bad as I hate the word "listcruft", read WP:LISTCRUFT and see if you don't agree that there may be some problems.  Mandsford 14:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Re the Book of Lists: Wikipedia is not paper. Grant 01:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial intersection of data, thus, not notable. Axem Titanium 20:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, as a navigational device. Verifiable. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The list is not an indiscriminate one, if restricted to 1)notable people who 2) are known by their middle names? As R. Arthur Norton says, it is a useful navigation aid. I would never have tuned the TV in for a western starring Orvon G. Autry rather than Gene Autry. Who ever heard of US Presidents Stephen G. Cleveland  or John C. Coolidge, Jr., or race car driver Ralph D. Earnhardt ? Edison 15:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I'll weigh in on a vote on this one, since this is organized in a form worth emulating, and Edison raises a good point. It needs some major league editing, however.... you've got enough of a list with well-known people without throwing in every single person who hated their first name.  You can cut this one by 1/3 or 1/2 without losing any effect.  Mandsford 12:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a belief prevalent among schizonyms that juxtonyms have made a conscious choice to use a 'middle' name. In my experience, this is simply not the case. Grant 01:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.