Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people photographed by Takuma Kajiwara


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The result was merge to Takuma Kajiwara. There is only weak opposition to a merge, the specifics of which can be discussed at the article. There is clear consensus against deletion, however. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

List of people photographed by Takuma Kajiwara

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Fails WP:LISTN. The only sources I can find that discuss this topic as a unit are wikis and mirrors that appear to be based on this article. No way this article passes the bar of WP:LISTN, even though it's bluelinks. It doesn't seem to have a real navigational purpose, either. Hog Farm Bacon 02:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Very, very weak keep. He was apparently known as a portrait photographer, so having a list of people he photographed is not so beyond the pale. But it's almost completely unsourced, so I have no way of knowing whether the claims it makes are true. I would also note that we do not have, e.g., List of people photographed by Annie Leibovitz or List of people painted by Pablo Picasso, so the implicit consensus seems to be that such a list is not encyclopedic. But I see no real argument against it from a WP:LISTN perspective, given that [t]here is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of … complex and cross-categorization lists like this one. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 03:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * On second thought, we basically do have a list of people photographed by Annie Leibovitz at Annie_Leibovitz. That section could easily be split to an article on its own, and I think it'd pass WP:LISTN. Of course, Leibovitz's photos are notable for their artistic quality—some could easily have articles of their own—but the principle is similar. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:05, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge to bio of this photographer, and then weigh if all these photos are notable or if we do not need a comprehensive list.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. I did not begin this list, but I've worked on it. Kajiwara was a leading photographer of his day, and his work is Notable. The list-article does not include all his work, but only those of Notable people, which I believe is a good winnowing-down of his oeuvre. I've already marked the photos that were cited to Mrs. Johnson's book, and one photo that was cited elsewhere (to a newspaper). When I have the time, I can furnish the sources for most of the other pieces (or somebody can help me do it). You can see the page at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Takuma_Kajiwara. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Or merge. This might be a better solution. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * - I can see a strong case for a merge back into the photographer's article, and I'd withdraw this nomination for a merge if we all can agree that should be done. If the number of images in the article post-merge would be excessive, a Commons cat link would work, right? Hog Farm Bacon 14:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. I see that BeenAroundAWhile has now added sources for nearly every entry on the list, which is pretty long. Seems no reason to move all this content back into Takuma Kajiwara if it already exists in a fairly long standalone list? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge - into the article on the photographer himself. Netherzone (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep (again). There are other lists of photographs. I'm not sure how this one is any different. Still, I have no objection to a merge, as long as we don't lose the list. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_photographs. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:26, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Ambox warning pn.svg — Duplicate vote: BeenAroundAWhile (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.
 * As for linking to Commons, those photos are mostly of non-Notable people. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge selectively into the photographer's article (not a copy/paste move). I can't find where these have been discussed as a group, and this list seems to be based on seeing the photographer's name in credits below photos rather than any sourcing about the photos. If something hasn't been mentioned anywhere else and requires Wikipedians to compile photo credits themselves, that's going to be WP:UNDUE for a list in the bio, but the particulars of what should be included can be sorted out on the talk page there. Certainly no basis for a stand-alone list unless some great sourcing can be found. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 16:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge selectively: I agree with Rhododendrites in all points (was going to type almost the exact thing), except that where Rhod uses the term UNDUE, I would substitute WP:SYNTH (though both work as well). Normal Op (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


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