Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people who became famous after surviving a near-fatal event


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete, unencyclopedic. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

List of people who became famous after surviving a near-fatal event

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Its impossible to define who should be in this category - how is "famous" defined? What counts as a "near-fatal event". Lots of POV issues here. See the related AfD discussion at Articles for deletion/Celebrities who have been involved in incidents resulting in death and the previous AfD for this article at Votes for deletion/List of people who became famous for surviving a deadly event Gwernol 19:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom + unencyclopedic Bwithh 19:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - yeah, I don't see how an article like this will work, since it's pretty much a huge POV problem, unless each addition is backed up by several sources. Jayden54 20:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's an interesting list with context for each entry, and as the individuals on it appear notable, and their notability has come from being involved in the events, or they are notable people who nearly died, it appears a legitimate topic to create a list from. Frankly it's an interesting sphere of human experience, and therefore likely to get people clicking. I didn't really fancy it when I first came upon it, but did a bit of work on it and feel it was significantly improved. I hate listcruft and don't think this qualifies. Deizio talk 20:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Will Jimeno is a survivor of September_11,_2001,_attacks. He is being made into a World_Trade_Center_(film).Tonytypoon 15:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unencyclopedic listcruft. TSO1D 20:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Potentially amusing item in a miscellany, but not suitable for an encyclopedia as it is hard to define and will always be random. Nathanian 20:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Impossible to maintain, little chance of consensus over what constitutes a near fatal experience, for example does John Lydon missing PanAm 103 qualify, or is their a need for medical intervention, like with Slash who was clinically dead. --Kind Regards - Heligoland  | Talk |  Contribs 20:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see how you can verify when a person "became famous," or even whether a person is famous or not. | Mr. Darcy talk 21:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unverifiable listcruft. Danny Lilithborne 21:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fundamentally incompatible with NPOV.  What constitutes being famous?  How do we determine when someone became famous?  How do we determine for what reason someone became famous?  What constitutes a near-fatal event?  How directly must the event and fame correlate?  How much time can pass between the event and the fame (that is to say, how long is "after")?  Serpent&#39;s Choice 05:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment (general) I honestly don't see these as insurmountable questions, and many of the answers are self-evident. Famous can be changed to notable. Lydon and Slash were presumably famous before the cited events, and Lydon was not actually involved in the event. We can determine the reason someone became notable quite easily, as it will be evident on their article, as established by whatever facts and evidence have been submitted to comply with WP:BIO. The correlation of the event and fame is not an issue, as there are different sections. After means not before, ie not famous 1 second before the near-fatal event. The definition of near fatal is also pretty evident from the pages listed - either people died in the event (9/11, Titanic etc), or it was something a human could be reasonably expected to have died from (falling 33000 feet to the ground, accidentally going over Niagara Falls). I think this page is fairly easy to maintain. Deizio talk 01:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom and Serpent&#39;s Choice.
 * Week Keep since the list provides context with citations. Hopefully that context will keep frivolous additions from being made. (Note: I changed my previous delete vote)Abecedare 20:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. Interesting and can be maintained. Academic Challenger 01:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. There can be major problems with these types of articles.  Noble eagle   [TALK]  [C] 05:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.