Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people who died before the age of 30 (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

List of people who died before the age of 30
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Major violation of WP:NOT. This provides virtually no useful information. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 04:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete A list of people I outlived is arguably interesting, but not encyclopaedic. Orderinchaos 04:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC):
 * Delete No reason to have this.  KJS77 Join the Revolution  04:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the above. This list, having a randomly chosen age for inclusion, is unencyclopedic and difficult to maintain. This list is rather useless due to the sheer number of people that qualify for inclusion. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 04:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is a sobering thought to realize that by the time Mozart was my age, he had already been dead three years.  However, it's not sobering enough to justify this list. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. No new arguments for deletion since last time. —Angr 14:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually there is new arguments and it seems like everyone else would agree with me because they decided that it should be deleted. Why don't you actually read the AfD instead of automatically deciding that it can't possibly be deleted because it is a 2nd nomination. Tavix (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - in addition it should be noted that the previous AFD ended with a no consensus decision, meaning it's fair game for fresh discussion. 23skidoo (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete way too broad of a topic to be used as a list, and it can't ever be complete. Why 30 and not 29? Why include some people but not others? WP:SALAT says "Lists that are too general or too broad in scope have little value." This list would fall under that category and it just simply isn't useable as being this broad. Tavix (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Pretty interesting subject, and it is useful to be able to look up who died young in one list. It seems kind of arbitrary at age 30, however. --Banime (talk) 15:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Arbitrary cutoff. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 16:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:NOT. And probably better suited, if at all, as a cat that supports hierarchy/tiers (i.e. this cat a subset of "People who died before age 40"). (<-but, really, I'd still think that was dumb.) --EEMIV (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per WP:NOT.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I also side with WP:NOT. There is nothing particularly notable about this age (there are countries in the world today where that's the life expectency) and this list could in theory contain the list of every child, teenager and 20something who has ever lived - millions of names. Unmaintainable and unencyclopedic. 23skidoo (talk) 16:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Retitle and change criterion In some cases an early death is relevant, but this is far too general. I can see the point of a list for the relatively few children who have articles in Wikipedia, but not for this. I suggest that "under 21" might be a defensible separation, In that case the relevant portion of this article could  be reused DGG (talk) 01:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This really isn't a proper topic, even if we turn it into age 21: consider that vast numbers of little children in past ages (and even today in less developed regions) died in infancy. Even if we made it "died before the age of 1" we'd have a huge, unmaintainable list.  Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, again. Just like I said at the last AFD, this article was previously named List of famous people who died young and List of people who died young before it was renamed List of people who died before the age of 30 in January 2008. Most of the people arguing for deletion seem to be arguing over the current name of the page. Famous people dying young is a notable topic. And the information in the article is verifiable. The article could probably benefit from a new title. --Pixelface (talk) 05:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Regardless of the outcome of this debate, I would recommend that someone put this on Deletionpedia. The existence of that option shouldn't affect how this closes out, but it is well-organized, informative and interesting -- all qualities that have nothing to do with whether the topic is something to be part of Wikipedia.  I can't bring myself to say "keep", because it does seem like an arbitrary segment of people.  This is, essentially, a list of victims of homicides and accidents; and to me, the death of a person at age 29 is no less tragic that the death of a person at age 31.  I also find it odd to group people who are 18 to 29 in with children and teenagers.  To its credit, the table is arranged by age, so that it could be split up as necessary, with sections that equate to "List of people who were 23 years old when they got killed".  Given that this may not survive deletion, I hope that the editors will preserve it in other media. Mandsford (talk) 12:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * None of us can do that. Deletionpedia is automated. -- Explodicle (T/C) 13:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks I stand corrected. After looking at the site, I have also learned that it's not the afterlife for deleted articles, it's more like a cryogenic storage facility.  In other words, there is no editing and the article is frozen.  Mandsford (talk) 16:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete; I concur with the nominator. —   pd_THOR  undefined | 13:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete; I concur with pd_THOR. Eklipse (talk) 13:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Categorize A list like this could justify similar lists for every age group. I would support categories being created for people who died at each age, regardless of what the number is, and these categories being placed into a parent category of deaths by age. Sebwite (talk) 01:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and categories. We66er (talk) 05:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm very rarely in favor of deletion, but this one is completely unmaintainable. If anyone really cares, they can just write a script that does this (but better) on another website. -- Explodicle (T/C) 13:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and categorize per User:Sebwite —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewedwards (talk • contribs) 23:27, September 3 2008
 * Delete, way too broad. --Stormie (talk) 05:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per NickW557. Adambro (talk) 07:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as completely arbitrary list. See WP:LC, items 1-4 and 6. Why age 30? Stifle (talk) 15:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.