Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people who have died because of ragging


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Redirect to Ragging; merge already completed by others. JERRY talk contribs 03:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

List of people who have died because of ragging

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Seven or so deaths is unfortunate, but with 9 million people comitting suicide annually, very many due to bullying, singling just these few for an article seems non-notable. Attributing a single cause to these suicides is simplistic and appears to be non-neutral, original research. Ros0709 (talk) 23:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page because it just lists two alleged and aparrently unproven allegations, and has no place in an encyclopedia. These articles appear to fall foul of WP:SOAP.


 * Comment. Haven't people died as a result of hazing at universities in the United States as well? --Eastmain (talk) 00:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. Major issue in India; the Supreme Court has pronounced on it following one of the deaths; The Indian Institutes of Technology have faced particular scrutiny. Relata refero (talk) 18:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Agreed there is plenty of coverage for ragging, but that exists as an article in itself and is not affected by this AfD. Ros0709 (talk) 20:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, I meant there's been coverage of those specific deaths, which were pivotal in the debate. `Relata refero (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. I think by listing specific individuals there is probably more info than required to make the point; is there not also an issue that in moving the info away from the actual ragging article that the point is less well made? Ros0709 (talk) 07:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment The list of people in this article died or comitted suicide where ragging was sometimes at best proposed as a factor. However, it is disingenious to suggest it was the only cause and thus the article is biased and misleading. Ros0709 (talk) 08:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Content issue. Can be sorted out in internal wording. Relata refero (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree - the issue here is the title. I don't think "List of people for whom ragging has been suggested as a possible contributory factor in their deaths" really works, but that's what this article is. Ros0709 (talk) 17:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 06:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep providing that evidence is reliable. Article is India-based at present but could be expanded. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC).
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  18:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - the topic is notable and appears consistent with other Lists of people by cause of death. If the cause of a particular death is doubted, its sources should be discussed on the list's talk page.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    19:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If this AfD closes as keep we should add this to that list. You are, IMO, correct that it fits well with this list. Ros0709 (talk) 20:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Although, this is not to say I retract support for deletion. There is, in that list, a list of deaths caused by suicide, for example, into which this list could be merged. Ros0709 (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The topic as is isn't encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not news nor an indescriminate list of facts.  Simple lists of people who have a particular trait in common but are otherwise not notable is not encyclopedic subject matter.  The lists of people by cause of death articles pointed to by User:The Transhumanist above are useful indices of articles in Wikipedia, they aren't simple lists of all people who have died by a particular means.  The issue of ragging is an encyclopedic subject and has an article.  The larger themes and the impact on society (including an appropriate overview of the press furor in India) should be handled in that article.  -- SiobhanHansa 22:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge - The topic is not notable. Ragging itself seems to be notable, especially in India, but not a list of deaths where ragging was named or suspected of contributing to the personal decision to take their own life (or in the single exception, the life of another).  In one instance, the parents "suspected" ragging.  In the homicide, after being repeatedly spurned by the victim, the "ragger" cornered the victim and in front of horrified girls and boys, hacked her with a butcher’s knife.  That cause of death doesn't fit the Indian Supreme Court's definition that ragging "has the effect of causing or generating a sense of shame or embarrassment".  I'm sure the Ragging Act has loads of verbiage that can be used quite handily for all sorts of offensive behavior.  Why would a prosecutor stop at murder if they can pile on other politically loaded charges that would upset the vocal masses if they got overturned?  Someone else mentioned the Lists of people by cause of death and I think the big difference between those lists and this one is that members of those lists have their own articles where each individual's notability can be established and debated.  These people have no notability beyond the nature of their deaths.  --JJLatWiki (talk) 17:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * weak keep per per Transhumanist or merge to the main article on Ragging. JoshuaZ (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Another editor has already merged this into ragging. That should be undone if this nom. closes as keep. Ros0709 (talk) 18:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


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