Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people who have publicly denied being gay (2nd nomination)

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The result of the debate was delete. Dan100 (Talk) 12:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

List of people who have publicly denied being gay
The previous debate from October 8 2003 can be found at Talk:List of people who have publicly denied being gay/Delete, rater than in the AfD archives as it predates the current deletion scheme.

I feel this is non-ensyclopedic, and while the persons are notable in the vast majority of cases theyr mere denial of beeing gay is not. It is basicaly a list of people who have responded in a sertain way to rumors or sometimes (joking) questions from the press. Verifiable and factual yes, but not ensyclopedic or particularly helpfull. I can't think of any use for such a list. If there is any substance to the "allegations" then the #Persons of debated lesbian, gay or bisexual orientation section of List_of_gay%2C_lesbian_or_bisexual_people can be used (and indeed several of the people on this list is also to be found there) as it at least have a solid criterea for inclution and require the "controversy" to be notable enough to be mentioned on the person's Wikipedia article first, not just added to the list. For the rest it's just frivilous tabloid rumors and listing them here would basicaly amount to rumor mongering of no real value. During the previous detabe some people argued that the list could be used to "wash" the List_of_gay%2C_lesbian_or_bisexual_people of controvertial names, but as mentioned there are several people who are on both lists so it's obviously not beeing used for that purpose either. To sum up: If this information belong anywhere at all it's the "trivia" section of the respective persons articles, not on a list of every famous person who's ever said "I'm not gay" in public. Delete. --Sherool 22:45, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete --Grcampbell 23:39, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Cannot be made NPOV. Most readers will perceive that the important fact is not the denial, but the obvious inference, from the denial, that someone must have asserted that the person was gay. And, where there's smoke... The List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people has been quite careful to exclude people whose orientation has only been rumored or asserted. This is just a clever way to try to sneak them back in. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:02, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The conditioning that Dpbsmith points out is important: in effect, if not in intent, this article is a POV fork of the list and always will be. If necessary, the relevant articles can be updated to mention the gossip, but the article should not stand. -Splash 00:37, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per abve arguments.  Strange that this was kept first time around, since the problems with such a compendium seem overwhelming. Dottore So 01:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete CalJW 06:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, per Dpbsmith's excellent point, which I've tried to make in the past on similar List AfDs— unfortunately to no avail.— encephalon έγκέφαλος   11:47:20, 2005-09-09 (UTC)
 * Delete per above arguments. Al 12:43, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete "I am not gay". Go on then, add my name to the list. (rolls eyes) Grutness...  wha?  13:14, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hopelessly POV, unmaintainable. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for above reasons. OK so it's mildly entertaining, but how can one have an encyclopedia article about a negative? It's like having a "List of things that are said not to be pink". Shantavira 19:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I concur with the above reasons.  This article is evidence of a tabloid trend in Wikipedia that diminishes the seriousness of the enterprise. -Jmh123 00:47, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Reminds me of the list of ethnic stereotypes article.... Ryan Norton T 07:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.