Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with surname Spain


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Spain (surname). Beeblebrox (talk) 01:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

List of people with surname Spain

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Unencyclopedic. Wiki is not a social networking site. Unmaintainable list (They will be wanting a list of everyone called Smith next.) Kudpung (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * KeepThis has nothing to do with social networking; this is about notable historical facts and people. The Spain surname, and all of it's derivatives, is very common and there are several notables in history and society, some who have articles about them here on wikipedia, that are not indexed/found when searching the word Spain or the words Spain Surname. When you type that in you'll get all kinds of surnames of Spanish origin. Spain surname is a hard search, so I was just trying to make it easier. I added the article link to the Spain (disambiguation) page for this reason. That's my reason for doing it. I was looking for information on the surname, which is not mine by the way - I was curious. Then I notice that this surname and derivatives have significant genealogical search engine results. I also noticed the notability factor in many of the bios that I read. I only have three listed, but more are coming. We're talking notables from European and America history. The surname has as much significance as any other surname that has a page/list on wikipedia, such as Williams.


 * Furthermore, the list and surname article are just starts. There is an entire evolutionary history behind the surname which is another reason why I thought making the two articles was appropriate. We're talking more than 900 years on two continents. Now, when people with Spain, and derived, surnames do a search engine search, they can come across these two articles and add on to information.


 * Wikipedia is an idol hobby I have that I get caught up in at a whims notice. I thought the whole idea of Wikipedia was to make the discovery of unknown information easier. I saw a need and tried to fulfill it. I really don't comprehend where you get the social networking idea from. Bab-a-lot (talk) 09:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Based on your explanation above, I fully realise that you created this list in good faith. However, the inherent problem is that with Wiki being a freely collaborative site, everyone named Spain will be adding  themselves to it, most likely linking to their FaceBook, blogs, and corporate sites, and it keeps  whole teams of volunteers WP:NPP and WP:Recent changes busy round the clock deleting them all. A list of names such as Spain is untenable.Kudpung (talk) 11:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get your logic. I offered a link above to the Williams (surname) page where there is also a link to a list of people with the Williams suname. People aren't going to add themselves, because it will be clear to anyone who wants to contribute that it's designated for notables only. There are similar pages, and name lists pages of other surnames where there is not an influx of random people adding their own names. It's reserved for notables only. Bab-a-lot (talk) 23:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete (or speedy delete) unencyclopedic, we already have Spain (surname), notable people with that surname should be there. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (or possibly merge to Spain (surname) if the list doesn't get long enough to justify a standalone article). It is usual practice to create lists of people with certain surnames if a lot of people share that surname and a complete list is too long to fit in the article on that surname, as can be seen in this list of articles with similar titles (to answer the nominator's question, List of people with surname Smith already exists). Keeping a list of people with a shared surname for navigation/disambiguation purposes is perfectly encyclopedic. The fact that non-notable people could add themselves to the list is irrelevant, as the same is true of just about any disambiguation page involving people, list of school alumni etc. Hut 8.5 11:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I agree. Bab-a-lot (talk) 23:56, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge to Spain (surname). I see no reason why this relatively short list should be sepperated from the surname page. Generally the surname pages include such lists.4meter4 (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I agree. Great idea! Bab-a-lot (talk) 23:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

-- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.
 * I don't understand why these are to be deleted, especially if the name lists will not be transferred to the (surname) article page. You will make looking for people with those surnames a hard, nearly impossible, search.Bab-a-lot (talk) 00:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to Spain (surname) standard disambiguation. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly there's a need for this, as wikipedia has already established many, many lists "of people with surname (X)". This one is no different than any other.ArchieOof (talk) 21:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Spain (surname). While I find the appeal of articles with lists of people with the same surname to be inexplicable, there appears to be an established convention within Wikipaedia to allow them. Further more, one can readily see the utility (hence, notability) of such pages to genealogists.  Uncensored Kiwi  Kiss 12:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


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