Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of pizzerias


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

List of pizzerias

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This page duplicates Category:Pizzerias with the obvious disadvantage of not being automatically updated. It has no additional content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawdroid (talk • contribs) 23:07, January 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as this article may easily be expanded. Jeff Biggs (talk) 00:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - aren't these more conventionally referred to as pizza "chains"? A "pizzeria" can be any local shop that serves pizza. That doesn't seem to be the article's subject matter. J L G 4 1 0 4  01:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Move to List of pizza chain restaurants. SMSpivey (talk) 04:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete To begin with, as Jlg4104 points out, this article is misnamed. Further, contrarily to Jeff Biggs, I fail to see how this list could be expanded in a way that does make it redundant to the category. ¨¨ victor   falk  04:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The list isn't redundant to the category, as (1) it contains redlinks and (2) could be expanded to contain additional information -- e.g., I'd suggest the article maintainers switch to a sortable table format rather than bullet list and include information like number of restaurants owned, date of establishment, perhaps even a brief summary of the styles of pizza offered. As it stands, the list isn't much better than the categories (but it still has redlinks), yet it could be improved substantially.  In response to Jlg4104 & SMSpivey, some of the entries are for pizzerias (e.g. Frank Pepe Pizzeria Napoletana) and some are for chains (e.g. Pizza Hut).  Perhaps the best approach is to rename to List of pizzerias and pizzeria chains. JulesH (talk) 10:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete In support of the nominator's and Victor Falk's positions. Pastor Theo (talk) 11:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete "There's room for improvement" is a polite way of saying that this isn't a very good article. This is what an indiscriminate list is, something where one can't discriminate between one item on the list or another.  Ironically, most people can say a lot about the difference between Pizza Hut and Domino's and Papa John's; this article is nothing more than a catchall of names of places where a person can order a pizza.  I would add that by using the name "pizzeria" for a chain of pizza restaurants, it appears that the authors aren't knowledgable about the subject and have done nothing to say. Mandsford (talk) 16:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Categories do not supersede lists - see WP:CLS. If the list needs more work that's fine - see our editing policy. Colonel Warden (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Useful list that provides navigation aid around articles about pizzeria chains. Allows annotation and inclusion of chains that do not have articles. There is often a need for lists in addition to categories (see WP:CLS). Perhaps renaming would be useful. &mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 12:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep if someone adds some more value to it. Currently users would be better off using the category system. The rescue squad seem to like this kind of article so I've listed it for them. Brownsnout spookfish (talk) 18:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Pointless list. This was what categories were made for. Garion96 (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Categories were made for several things, but I assure you that providing a rationale for deleting lists was not one of them. In fact the category guideline specifically says "However, categories are not a substitute for lists, and you will find that many articles belong to both lists and categories." DHowell (talk) 05:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not all categories should be made into a list. This is one of them. Garion96 (talk) 13:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You haven't given a reason why, other than your personal opinion that it is "pointless". DHowell (talk) 04:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh brother. Just as the comment below is your personal opinion. It also wasn't my only reason of course, as stated above. I could of course add "delete per wp:not if you insist. Garion96 (talk)
 * Keep per WP:CLN and the fact that it satisfies all three purposes of lists on Wikipedia: information, navigation, and development. DHowell (talk) 05:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - A list is not a category, but I don't see what purpose this list serves other than a category. If it expands, it would appear to become more directory-ish, which Wikipedia is not.  If there is other relevant information that can/will be added for each listed Pizzeria to make this list worthwhile, it would be helpful to see what that information is.  Otherwise, the list can be recreated if and when that additional information becomes available. Rlendog (talk) 14:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - May be weak now, but certainly holds the three purposes of lists.--MrFishGo Fish 21:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please see the improvements that have been made; there is now information other than just names and links. DHowell (talk) 03:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Has WP:IINFO been removed from WP:NOT yet? / edg ☺ ☭ 12:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter in this case as this is hardly an indiscriminate list. -- Banj e  b oi   14:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. And clean-up. Lists serve useful purposes that categories do not. Many users are completely unaware of categories and those categories themselves are often wrong, incomplete and outdated. This list is also hardly indiscriminate. Everything points to improving it. -- Banj e  b oi   14:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I suggest leaving the name for now and ensuring that notable specific pizza stores are labeled as such. It would help to separate them into their own section for comparison. -- Banj e  b oi   14:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete We shouldn't be in the business of figuring out which pizzerias are notable and which are not (why is Famiglia missing? why is .....). A list should either be reasonably exhaustive (or capable of being reasonably exhaustive) in the sense that the criteria for inclusion should be well defined, or it should just not there. The only way this list will work is if it becomes the yellow pages for every pizzeria in the world. WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTREPOSITORY (though it is only indirectly a collection of links, that is sort of the effect). --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 19:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, as RegentsPark explains, with no well-defined criteria for notability this list is WP:INDISCRIMINATE in nature and should just not be there. Furthermore the indiscrimate information which it has been embellished does little more than to enhance its role as an (admittedly) useful directory, neither of which goals are in Wikipedia's remit. Benefix (talk) 19:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.