Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Keeping this article for future work on separating this one list into more specific lists as suggested by the nominator. Or maybe a simple rename to a less general name would fix any perceived problem. I'm also conscious of potential disruption the deletion of this article could cause for other articles that are connected to this list and template. Liz Read! Talk! 04:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets

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The scope of the list is way too broad for a Wikipedia list. Mucube (talk • contribs) 04:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature, Poetry, Lists,  and China. Mucube (talk • contribs) 04:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how this mostly dates from 2014 but the primary author appears to be still reasonably active and has been notified, I'm curious to see what is said. While I agree in principle that the scope is poorly defined and clearly too huge, the number of entries currently in the list appears relatively moderate. I'm not convinced that deletion is necessary, as scope redefinition or turning this into a list-of-lists are both reasonable potential fixes. Jclemens (talk) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The list is restricted to poems about which we have an article and, as such, is not excessively broad. The limitation of scope is not made sufficiently clear but it is referred to in the section heading List of Chinese poems (in Wikipedia). These types of navigational lists are explicitly catered for in WP:CSC and the overall topic is clearly notable. The list has accompanying information that cannot be handled in Category:Chinese poems and the relevant navbox Template:Chinese poetry is kept from being monstrous by linking to this list rather than to the individual poems. All this seems to have been carefully developed and is entirely appropriate. Thincat (talk) 12:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * About: I always thought that an article "List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets" would be too unwieldy and difficult to maintain as an encyclopedic article as anything reasonably complete. Maybe an AI could do it. Just as we don't see article such as "List of poems in French or by French poets" or "List of poems in English or by English poets" a list of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets would be difficult for similar reasons, on top of going back even further in time (to many centuries BCE). Anyway, the immediate origin of the article is that I was doing a lot of work on Chinese poetry in 2014, and, in the process ended up starting this list article. Looking at the 14 categories for deletion at Deletion policy, it is hard to see that any of these 14 reasons for deletion apply. So, I see no reason whatsoever to delete the article based upon Wikipedia deletion policy. As a practical matter, this list could be useful to someone unfamiliar with Chinese poetry who wishes to find a few examples, so I lean towards keep. Dcattell (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, thinking about it a bit more, I remember my primary reason for creating this list article back in 2014 was to clean up the Chinese poetry template, which was getting overburdened. I thought it useful to have some helpful examples of poetry in the navigation template at first, but this was becoming unwieldy over time. Dcattell (talk) 01:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Warning: Sorry about the rambling above. It's just that it's been about a half dozen years since I have thought about this much, either the template or the article. However, the "List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets" is written into Template:Chinese poetry. Deleting the article without re-writing the template will damage dozens of articles on Chinese poetry across en:Wikipedia article space, including some articles which are classified as being of high importance. "List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets" could use some improvement, however I am not going to do so in the face of impending deletion. Really, "List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets" should be improved to better represent examples of Chinese poetry. Simply using the article deletion process in this case would create a quite a mess! Deleting the article, and editing the template, and creating some other support for navigating to Chinese poems would be an option, and take a fair amount of work to do it right. So, no, it's not a good idea to just do an article deletion on "List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets". Not that it's a great example of an article as it stands! Cheers, Dcattell (talk) 03:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a problem-the template can be edited to remove the link. Blythwood (talk) 09:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete or just possibly split into separate articles - this is too big a topic for a list. Imagine an article titled "List of poems in the English language", and then multiply by the fact that China has always had a far larger population and has a far longer literary history than English does. Categories take care of this sort of thing better. Blythwood (talk) 09:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The poems listed all have their own Wikipedia articles. A list is more useful than a category since it contains more information, making it easier for someone to navigate to something they want to read. Category:Lists of poems shows that how different types of poems have been split off so the main list doesn't get too long.   D r e a m Focus  03:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think the list does what WP does best - making it easy to search, reference and validate information on an article.  Mollymiller (talk) 13:38, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Instead of one massive list of Chinese poetry, we should make lists of Chinese poetry by form (List of fu (poetry), List of yuefu) and by era (List of Song dynasty poetic works, List of Tang dynasty poetic works, List of modern Chinese poetic works). Mucube (talk • contribs) 00:09, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The scope is too large for a list. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.