Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of political flops (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Sr13 06:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

List of political flops
Violates WP:OR, and lack of sources. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Previous AFD at Articles for deletion/List of political flops


 * Delete as nom. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if sourced, at least as a concept. Which I believe can be done, but if it's not, go ahead and delete.  Identifying the "flops" themselves as a whole isn't needed though.  FrozenPurpleCube 04:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless a political incident or event was referred to as a "political flop" in a published source, the sources are not valid as per WP:NOR ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think my choice of words must not have been clear. What I mean is that there doesn't need to be a single source that lists all of the flops together, nor do we need to worry about whether any of the "flops" on the page is one or not, if there's a source discussing the subject.  That sort of thing can be handled on cleanup. FrozenPurpleCube 04:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as subjective. Come on, who thinks "flops" is an objective, encyclopedic term? Doczilla 06:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 08:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced, and subjective. Many of the items on the list are in my opinion not flops, just clear defeats. I wouldn't call the Goldwater's defeat in 1964 a "flop", he garnered several southern states and lost due to an agenda which was viewed as too conservative. I wouldn't call a big loss to the hugely popular president Reagan in 1984 a flop either. Landslide elections happen for many reasons, not just gaffes and flops, and is a part of democratic politics. Basically a collection of items, the title is not neutral, and serious issues with the possibility of keeping this in line with WP:NPOV. Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete-While an article on the concept might work, this just doesn't, since there's no criteria for one constitutes a "flop". Even in a perfectly sourced state, it would only be a list of endeavors called flops, since is an inherently subjective term.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is a flop itself. Reeks of WP:OR. Whsitchy 15:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Not only is this original research, but there's a possible BLP concern.Blueboy96 12:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, invented here, cruft, unmaintainable. Pavel Vozenilek 13:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete POV, cruft, everything that has been said Sleep On It 18:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per most of the above. Carlossuarez46 20:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom., and most of the above comments --JayJasper 21:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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