Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of political parties in Catalan Countries


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The result was   Delete.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 22:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

List of political parties in Catalan Countries

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The so-called "Catalan Countries" have no substance in everyday life, but it is a quite controversial political construct by Catalan nationalism. As such, it is legitimate, but POV all the same.

Excerpts of the (minimal) text in the article like "Catalan Countries have a multi-party system" dont make any sense, because the so-called Catalan Countries are a transnational merely political-theory construct with no common political institutions at all, no common legal system, no common ruling institutions.... not even a common language (not everybody speaks Catalan in the so-called Catalan countries).It is such a mere theoretical concept that we dont even know which is the right grammatical number: is it "political parties in Catalan Countries"? shouldnt it be "political parties in THE Catalan Countries"? so is it one country or several?

All in all, to have a list of the political parties in the "Catalan Countries" amounts to admitting that those "countries" do exist politically at all and are united by a common political system, something which it is definitely not true, but a desideratum of some political minority.

Then, if we sticked to the strict philological reasoning of Catalan-speaking, it doesnt make much sense either, not only because, as I mentioned already, in some of these territories Catalan in its various forms is spoken only by a minority, but, also, because we wouldnt make an article listing political parties of countries which speak, say, Portuguese or French in a single article, what for?

To back the purported political motivation of this article, the creator him/herself of this article is a self-proclaimed Catalan nationalist which bears its political banner in its very username user:Independència (Catalan for "Independence") only contributes every once in a while to add Catalan nationalist POV to the articles s/he is interested in, nothing more, and nothing less. Looking at the article's history, only two users (one its creator the other, an anon...who could well be its creator itself) have contributed. In my opinion, absolute lack of both activity and comment there speak out for the fringe, unencyclopedic and whimsical character of the article (I only came across it by chance). All in all, having this collection of parties based on a controversial and very partisan concept such as "Catalan Countries" is too POV too handle. Of course, an article on the "Catalan Countries" is fine, but assuming from there that there are common structures like a political system for the Catalan Countries is both wrong and POV. Mountolive  spare me the suspense 20:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. The Catalan Countries are now simply a cultural and linguistic region, even if some advocate for the creation of such an independent state. "Catalan Countries" is not POV (whatever sense that acronym is supposed to carry, point of view?), it is a concept, abstract if you will, that exists even if we disagree with it or not. It is rather the title which is rather POV, in that it treats the "Catalan Countries" as if they were indeed a clearly-defined political entity, which they are not. In the best case scenario, the title would make sense as "List of political parties in Catalonia, the Valencian Community and the Balearic Islands" or perhaps "List of political parties of the Catalan-speaking autonomous communities of Spain". -- the D únadan 02:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename as above. WikiScrubber (talk) 07:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:LC items 7, 9, and 10. Stifle (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.