Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prefects of Brașov County


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  16:50, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

List of prefects of Brașov County

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First, a bit of background is in order:
 * The Prefects of Romania hold a purely administrative position. They are unelected and serve at the pleasure of the central government, usually for a year or two. They are not notable by virtue of their office, and the great majority are not notable for any reason.
 * A few of them - see Category:Prefects of Romania - are notable, but almost invariably for other reasons. For example, Armand Călinescu ended up as prime minister, while Alexandru Macedonski was a very important poet.

Which takes us to the present article, a list of prefects of one Romanian county. I would say it should be deleted for two reasons: first, no individual on the list (except for one, who held a similar but distinct position before the area became a part of Romania) is notable or likely ever will be notable, and it says something about the notability of a list when all the entries are perpetual red links. Second, the topic itself lacks notability: the office is of a routine bureaucratic nature, a list of its holders beyond our scope.

I suppose, if there's a real desire for accessibility to this information, a link to the list could be added to Brașov County - I for one would not object. - Biruitorul Talk 15:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep First of all, just because those people don't have pages yet doesn't make them less notable. Many of the interbelic prefects were notable people (by their achievements outside the office, as you say) and I assume the Hungarian ones were as well. Besides, how many of the Romanian politicians have their own page here and yet many of them are unknown to the large world, not to mention that they have done much less in their lives? Second, how less administrative must a job be to make it worthy of an article? Would you compare the prefect, which is the link between the Government and the local administration, an office established in the Constitution of Romania (article 123), to a councilor named by the same government in some state company? Would a list of kings or chieftains, which were not elected and many of them were not notable in any way, pass your administrative treshold? Third, the list on prefecturabrasov.ro is outdated and incomplete and thus less relevant. Fourth, there are plenty of such lists on wikipedia, for similar positions in other countries, why does this one bother you? --Alex:D (talk) 06:20, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't exclude the possibility that a handful of the 70 or so red links in the list point to notable individuals, but the vast majority are very likely to be encyclopedic nonentities. Feel free to supply evidence to the contrary.
 * As to the argument about other Romanian politicians, I urge you to consult WP:WAX. Anyway, most (ideally all) of those pass WP:POLITICIAN, which the prefects don't.
 * In terms of exactly which administrative functions are notable, there is no general rule aside from cabinet members, but WP:GNG is always applicable when other criteria are lacking. The comparison to kings is absurd, but one to the Prefects of France is perfectly appropriate. First, because the Romanian prefects are modeled on the French office, and second because, as you highlight, it's an office established in the Constitution of France (article 72). And guess what? The French prefects are also not notable. The office is notable, both in France and Romania - after all, I am the author of Prefect (Romania) - but individual holders or lists of holders, not so much.
 * About the list on prefecturabrasov.ro - yes, it's true there has been no update to reflect the fact that the oh-so-notable Ciprian Marius Băncilă, whose previous job was as head of the Brașov Environmental Protection Agency, has been prefect for the past two months, but anyone truly interested in that morsel of information and not willing to wait until the Prefecture's site operator remembers to update the list could easily navigate here. The point is that the list is essentially up to date, and the information on the allegedly notable interwar prefects is not subject to change.
 * I'm not responsible for managing all of Wikipedia or for justifying my inaction in other spheres, only for arguing why this list should be deleted, which I have done quite thoroughly. - Biruitorul Talk 17:11, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete This is cruft. Officeholders of that rank are not notable in themselves (no need for the redlinks), and the infor itself can be easily retrieved from the source that was dumped into the list, should anyone feel a passion for reading all the names of the non-notable prefects. Dahn (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Most of them are notable because they held other offices (mostly of which were Members of Parliament), before or after. I have created articles for three of them, there are plenty of others on that list who are notable. bogdan (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * First, you've made an unproven assertion: "most" of about 70 names would be over 35, and you've tentatively shown notability for 3 or 4. Second, what is at stake is not whether this list contains a handful of notable names, but whether the topic itself - a list of Brașov prefects - is notable. And it isn't - it is, as exhaustively explained, cruft. - Biruitorul Talk 03:09, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There are only 50 something names there, 35 would be well over half. There are lists of prefects of Croatia and of similar positions which are appointed and represent the Goverment in that county (including governors, minister-presidents, Lords Lieutenant, voivodes, kaymakams etc.), wikipedia is full of them. So your argument about notability is invalid. Besides, the list on prefecturabrasov is incomplete for the years 1938-45, while this one has exact dates (with a couple of exceptions). --Alex:D (talk) 13:23, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are the one who is throwing up invalid WP:WAX-type diversions in a desperate attempt to deflect from the fact that a list of minor officeholders isn't notable, no matter how much special pleading you invoke. As I said many times, the office of Romanian prefect is notable, but lists of these really quite routine functionaries are outside our scope. - Biruitorul Talk 13:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete instead as, at best, there's nothing to suggest this cannot be moved as needed to the other article instead of having this all entirely about the people listed. SwisterTwister   talk  00:33, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - similar to county judge/commissioner or town(ship) supervisor. Bearian (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


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