Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of premiers of New South Wales by age


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Disregarding sock votes, this is a clear consensus for delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

List of premiers of New South Wales by age

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Trivial cross-categorisation ("age at death" and "former political office holder") which is also statistical trivia. Unsourced WP:OR.

The first section of the list ranks former premiers who are living by their age. There's no evidence that this ranking is notable, and it has no bearing on their job since they're mostly retired. It's a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization of office holders and longevity.

The second section of the list is a very confusing table of historical holders of the title "Premier of X", and is loaded with trivia, such as their age at start of office, age when they left, length of retirement, and final age, all in years and days.

The third section of the list is a confusing table of historical holders of the record for "oldest living premier of X," a title that appears to have been invented by a Wikipedia editor. The start and end dates list the time period during which the person was the record holder, their age at both, and the duration. This topic appears to be a completely original invention, and is certainly non-notable. Newshunter12 (talk) 17:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because all six articles were published by the same editor over the course of 1 minute in 2020, and remain nearly identical:
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 17:48, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Newshunter12 (talk) 18:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as for all lists by age oldest/youngest. Trivial cross-categorisations. Mccapra (talk) 18:37, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. All fail WP:SYNTH, WP:NLIST, WP:NOTSTATS. Recent precedent shows consensus that these types of lists are non-encyclopedic. pburka (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Agree with user:Pburka, non-encyclopedic. Gentleman wiki (talk) 19:45, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Needless trivia that spins off from the standard lists of premiers articles. Ajf773 (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:NLIST and scrapes by WP:GNG in my opinion 2001:8003:24d1:a000:2ceb:c26a:6ecd:b209 (talk) 06:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC) Logged-out editing sock; see Special:Contributions/2001:8003:2480::/41. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To scrape by GNG there would need to be significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. There's not a single source cited in any of these lists, nor has anyone presented sources in this discussion. pburka (talk) 17:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: misleading signature by the IP fixed. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. A "Premier of X" is not a trivial position. Almost every state premier of the years is the subject of coverage in multiple reliable sources. Green Hook 1224 (talk) 12:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC) — Green Hook 1224 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  Per Sockpuppet investigations/Bartolo 5565 RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  17:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 04:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:OR, not a single reference that would show that such lists are actually compiled by reliable sources outside Wikipedia. What's next, List of premiers of Western Australia by shoe size? Calistemon (talk) 12:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - as there's simply too many of these list articles, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Premiers are clearly notable, but these lists are clearly not notable. --Bduke (talk) 07:32, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment it might be useful to have these userfied as a reference point. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Age comparisons between each respective set of state leaders are of high interest to Wikipedia users and these type of articles, as well as other similar statistical entries, which have been nominated for deletion at the same time as this one regularly receive high views. These age statistics are not available anywhere else in such easily accessible sortable form and users would be deprived of the statistical value and interest inherent in those statistics for no reason related to improvement of Wikipedia. Theotherscrubbythug (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC) This one too has been indeffed. Geschichte (talk) 03:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSINTERESTING is subjective and not a valid reason: the amount of cars that do not properly stop at stop signs is also an interesting statistic, but it's not encyclopedic (as opposed to the concept of Traffic violations or Stop signs as a whole). Whether something receives high views is not a good argument for keeping it, as that is not a reliable indicator of article quality or notability. Finally, if "these age statistics are not available anywhere else" (in whichever format), then it is a textbook failure of WP:LISTN and WP:OR. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:08, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Others have given strong reasons; the largest factor to me is the overall purpose of Wikipedia. I sought out this information specifically as I was curious if Rees was the youngest NSW ever premier to ever be in office, and as it turns out, he was until Perrottet surpassed him. Without these pages, finding that information would have been a lot more difficult. The main purpose of Wikipedia is easily accessible information. It is clear that this information is sought out, that it meets Wikipedia's guidelines to remain, and is a generally useful page which should definitely not be removed and is best exhibited independently. Kerwin 05 (talk) 22:27, 5 October 2021 (UTC) Kerwin 05 is a CU-confirmed sock RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a very specific way of putting it. It's the same phrasing as used at Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age (diff) and  at Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of New Zealand by date of birth (diff). TompaDompa (talk) 04:12, 6 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.