Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of presidents of the United States by home state


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The result was speedy keep per WP:SNOW. ‑Scottywong | [converse] || 19:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

List of presidents of the United States by home state

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An instance of listcruft. The number of Presidents born in specific states is rather minor compared to how America is their birth country (or how their birthplaces eventually became part of it). I fail to see how such a compilation is worth maintaining. Wikipedia shouldn't become a site dedicated to Presidential statistics. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep An instance of WP:CRUFTCRUFT. The topic is quite well done – I especially like the map (right) It passes WP:LISTN as entire books are written about this.  See Where the Presidents Were Born, for example.  Andrew🐉(talk) 16:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I see your point about statistics related to presidential birth places. The problem I have is that a similar article already exists. I think it would be appropriate to somehow consolidate some of the information (i.e. states of primary affiliation, not necessarily their birth state) into that particular article.2601:5C4:4301:5420:5812:B0D2:6148:6BB1 (talk) 16:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I never knew of the page you linked, IP, and merging this page into the residences one would certainly help get rid of redundancies. All the more reason for this home state list to not exist. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits</b>) 16:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Per WP:LISTN. A list that provides the state of origin for each president is vastly different than List of residences of presidents of the United States, which lists the secondary residences and vacation homes of presidents. KidAd   talk  18:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - a clearly notable topic of interest. Foxnpichu (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep There is significant ongoing coverage of the presidents's homes and home states. Template:Lists of US Presidents and Vice Presidents has many well-viewed and -sourced lists of presidential statistics and this is one of the more important ones. This list is already a merger of Lists of Presidents of the United States by place of birth, List of Presidents of the United States by place of primary affiliation, and List of Presidents of the United States by date and place of birth, but adding the residences may be doable. Reywas92Talk 18:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can see how this is perceived as trivia. On the other hand the presidential home states are very widely, extensively and prolifically covered. Geschichte (talk) 19:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. FWIW I'd come looking for just this information. 217.39.47.189 (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I too was looking for precisely this information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.63.230 (talk) 08:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article is just as useful as all the other trivia-based US president list pages. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds contradictory; trivia-based lists are the opposite of useful when they don't offer anything of encyclopedic value. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Honestly, that sounds more like a Delete !vote. Foxnpichu (talk) 00:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: WP:LISTN says that a list is acceptable if it has been discussed as a group or set. The home states of presidents have been discussed often, especially during election years when discussing strategies for winning key states. As Andrew D says, Where the Presidents Were Born appears to be an especially strong source. — Toughpigs (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as previously stated. By the proposer's reasoning, an entire infobox of lists about the presidents and vice presidents of the United States would have to be deleted; that alone suggests that reasoning is WP:CRUFTCRUFT. The information in this list is encyclopedic and a clear topic of discussion; it enables a comparison of personal facts about presidents (age, date & place of birth, state of residence) that are routinely discussed in the broader context of the presidency (as opposed to individual presidents). Also, this list article is already cumbersome due to the multiple topics it covers; merging it into another presidential list would be extremely unwieldy and problematic. --RBBrittain (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That bit on Vice Presidents is a stretch when my rationale actually has nothing to do with those people. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 17:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The United States has, as everybody knows, a Federal structure, and US states have very much of local patriotism and pride. It is very real possibility that an American citizen full of civic pride in his or her home state would like to know which Presidents were born there. Lacking this list, such a person would be reduced to the time-consuming method of looking up the individual page of each and every President and finding their place of birth. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and the function of an encyclopedia is to provide information which people might be interested in, so a page providing that should be preserved.Anne McDermott (talk) 16:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure how likely people are to seek out which presidents were born in the same state as them, but WP:ITSINTERESTING isn't a convincing argument either way. I personally feel details on which state each came from is better for their individual articles. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 17:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - the notion that having a president as a native son is significant is a long-held truth and point of pride for individual states. There are two states (Virginia and Ohio) that semi-officially refer to themselves as "The Mother of Presidents" (and one, Indiana, "The Mother of Vice Presidents"). Clearly this is an encyclopedic topic per LISTN. 174.254.192.175 (talk) 17:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: but rename to List of presidents of the United States by state of birth or something similar per WP:PRECISE criterion. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;">  // Timothy ::  talk  05:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above and WP:LISTN.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


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