Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of presidents of the United States by time in office (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that this is sufficient for a stand-alone list, but discussion to merge may continue on the talk page. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

List of presidents of the United States by time in office
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Trivial cross-categorisations. The only novel information that this includes that isn't in the respective plain lists (List of presidents of the United States, ...) is the exact mathematical count of days. That could relatively trivially be included in those if it was truly important information; but looks more like WP:NOTSTATS trivia anyways. Therefore delete. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 11:33, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 *  Agree: the same purpose could be achieved by adding a duration column to the main list and making that column sortable. It doesn't deserve an article all to itself. Richard75 (talk) 12:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:HTRIVIA-- rsjaffe 🗩 <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 23:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Useful and valid WP:SPLITLISTs. The parent List of presidents of the United States and List of vice presidents of the United States are not sortable, so ranking by time in office is not possible. Given the particularly large amount of scholarly attention in WP:RS to these subjects, this is not mere trivia and having numerous sub-list articles is appropriate and strengthens our coverage of the subject. Nothing is to be gained here from deletion, and deletion would be removing access to historically significant information. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * "the particularly large amount of scholarly attention in WP:RS to these subjects" would ideally require that you provide actual sources to demonstrate this statement. Unless and until you do, and that's dubious, since academics usually aren't bothered with such things as counting the exact number of days a president was in office, then there's no reason to think this is anything but statistical trivia, which is why I also oppose a merge. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The above mentioned issue can be solved by making the other pages sortable.2601:241:300:B610:7919:2709:2F93:275 (talk) 00:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with the points made by Mdewman6. This page is consistent with other Wikipedia articles devoted to world leaders' time in office/length of tenure such as Prime Ministers and Premiers of Canada, Prime Ministers of United Kingdom, etc. There are also numerous other individual articles relating to United States Presidents' age/lifespan, education, net worth, etc. Wiki O&#39;Ryan (talk) 01:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So the good old "WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS" argument? None of that addresses how there are no sources to back up that this is actually a notable list topic and not just statistical trivia. As for the similar pages, that's about to be dealt with, too. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into President of the United States, where the Incumbency section can be expanded to accommodate this content with the appropriate context. I agree with nom that this article fails WP:Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations and WP:NOSTATS. Edge3 (talk) 02:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per arguments submitted by Mdewman6 and Wiki O'Ryan. Both this entry and the other similar entries, concurrently nominated for deletion, provide detailed comparison of each current president's time in office in relation to his predecessors — data which is not available anywhere else on Wikipedia. It may be useful to visit Talk:List of presidents of the United States by time in office to peruse various postings regarding this subject and, even more importantly, to review Articles for deletion/List of presidents of the United States by time in office, from four-and-a-half years ago (February 2017), to read both "Keep" and "Delete" arguments, especially "Keep" points made by Postdlf (17:59, 5 February 2017). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So "Keep per already debated arguments"? The data not available anywhere else might as well simply not belong at all, which explains why it isn't anywhere else and shouldn't be. As for the previous AfD, it closed as no consensus, so, unless you can quote a particularly interesting and convincing argument from there, doesn't change anything as far as WP:NOTSTATS and WP:NOTDIRECTORY are concerned. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 11:40, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Perhaps the info can be added as a column similar to the one on List of governors of New York.67.173.23.66 (talk) 00:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I love seeing how leaders' time in office compares with others over time. Axedel (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:INTERESTING is not considered a valid argument.2601:241:300:B610:EC54:56D:1E0F:B3A8 (talk) 00:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into President of the United States. After some further consideration, I feel that the information may not warrant a page of its own, but is significant enough to be included in a sortable column. Wiki O&#39;Ryan (talk) 01:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mdewman6 and Wiki O'Ryan.4meter4 (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Useful and valid WP:SPLITLISTs. Notwisconsin (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a good article with useful information, especially when explaining the lengths of certain terms (how some were cut short, or why others were longer than expected). PlanetDeadwing (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not completely opposed to merging, but I think because of issues with target articles (length, not sortable tables), it's valid for this to remain separate. Rhino131 (talk) 14:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


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