Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age


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The result was keep. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:25, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age

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WP:OR (the "overview" section) and trivial cross-categorisations by the dozen (the table). I can't find any external reliable source which discusses this, either (at best, there are mentions of the oldest and youngest, but that statistical platitude is not enough to justify a list of all of the others), showing this fails WP:LISTN. For the US page, the nature of the content is very similar, and searches for sources to meet LISTN also turn up nothing substantial, so I'll spare everyone's time and group the two nominations together. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep: Regarding the age of U.S. presidents, the History television network has discussed at least the eight oldest. When Carter became the oldest living U.S. president (ever), which the article documents in its second table, CNN and ABC  covered the occasion and noted his predecessor. With any comparison of age, birth and death dates are vital, and with those in office, the age on starting and ending that office is a natural addition, as is the length of life after leaving office. "Cross-categorizations "by the dozen" seems an exaggeration. —ADavidB 03:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * History channel (aka the ancient astronauts channel) isn't a particularly edifying source. The rest at best demonstrate that there is some interest (mostly from newspapers, as I can see, so this might also be a case of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM) in who is the oldest one. But I fail to see how that justifies the rest, or how the table in the article would still not be WP:NOTSTATS material. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete is just a redundant WP:CONTENTFORK from List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Vladimir.copic (talk) 07:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep both List of presidents of the United States by age and List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age per ADavidB. Age comparisons within each respective set of world leaders are of high interest to Wikipedia users and these types of articles, as well as other similar statistical entries, which have been nominated at the same time as this nomination, regularly receive high views. These age statistics are not available anywhere else in such easily accessible sortable form and users would be deprived of the statistical value and interest inherent in those statistics for no reason related to improvement of Wikipedia. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:02, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * None of that supports how this still fails WP:NOTSTATS. This being "interesting to readers" (based on what?) is essentially subjective opinion (I find it entirely uninteresting trivia); and sources I could find only seem to care about the oldest person on the list (or the other extreme). That can maybe be covered in a "Records" list, if one is insistent about it; but it doesn't justify the rest. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 11:35, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Last year List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age received 95723 views, List of presidents of the United States by age received 2368595 views. Wikipedia users do read these articles. -GorgonaJS (talk) 12:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Easily passes WP:LISTN. For example, see Significance for some SIGCOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom/List of presidents of the United States. These articles really don't add much that can't be handled by an "age" column on the main lists and a paragraph summarizing the records. BSMRD (talk) 05:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:OR? Where? All the dates are easily verifiable. Calculating the length of time between dates is an easy and quick calcultation, and so not original research (No_original_research). Find the mean/median/mode/range are also quick and easy. Saying "number x is larger than number y" isn't original research either. So I am not sure where the original research. I also see WP:NOSTATS in a few rebuttals. But the arguements based on WP:NOSTATS suggest that the nominator has only read the (for what of a better word) lead of that section and not the entirety. These two pages actually follow the advice in NOSTATS: Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. - that is what has happened here. As for WP:LISTN, this is what I found in 90 seconds using an internet search engine:      . No they aren't all reliable sources, but they show that this article passes WP:LISTN. The above list is only for US presidents. I could also habve done UK prime ministers - but I have better things to do than doing RandomCanadian's notability check for him. SSSB (talk) 08:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per SSSB, Andrew and others. Very clearly meets WP:LISTN and is not redundant to any other page on the project. Thryduulf (talk) 12:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Same reasons as others.Bivaldian (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Others have given strong reasons; the largest factor to me is the overall purpose of Wikipedia. I sought out this information specifically as I was curious if Biden is the oldest president to be in office. Without this page, finding that information would have been more difficult. The main purpose of Wikipedia is easily accessible information. A quick check shows that this page has nearly 7 million views since mid-2015; it is clear that this information is sought out, that it meets Wikipedia's guidelines to remain, and is a generally useful page which should definitely not be removed and is best exhibited independently. Caleb 1223 (talk) 05:40, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge: The US president page should be merged with pages containing similar age information for other US political leaders. See the similar pages for US Senators, US Representatives, US state governors, and oldest US Senator.Pay special attention to the bottom purple box of List of the oldest living people (Lists of the oldest people by specific groups). See also: Category:Lists of oldest people and current NBA players by age
 * Keep both. Easily passes list notability per the above comments. If there are WP:OR or other concerns, there are ways to address those by simply improving the article. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep both per SSSB. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 17:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, fundamentally as it is useful to readers.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


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