Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of pro quarterbacks with 5,000 passing yards in a season


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The result was   keep. This is a clear keep close, but I'll leave the rename suggestion (and other proposals) to a discussion on the talk page. (non-admin closure) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

List of pro quarterbacks with 5,000 passing yards in a season

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Possibly a notable topic for the NFL. In my WP:BEFORE I found a few articles talking about the 5000 yard records (see talk).

But the vast majority of the content of this list is for Canadian football, a game with very different rules. There are multiple entries in the list who have over 6000 yards, and many in the high 5000s. Seems like 5000 is not a notable accomplishment in CFL.

If the article maintains its CFL focus, I think this list has a WP:NOTABILITY issue. If it is a combined list, then I think there is WP:WP:LISTCRUFT as it is combining records from two different sports

If it goes down to just NFL, I could see it passing the notability bar due to the few refs, and that the 5000 mark seems to be rare and record breaking. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and change title to List of professional gridiron football quaterbacks with 5,000 passing yards in a season to maintain titling describing the American and Canadian football codes (long, I know, but the only true way to associate it from the other type). Not seeing an issue just because there are more Canadian entries than American (five extra yards on the main field, one less down, and ten more yards in each end zone will do that), and the fact a few have also done it on the abbreviated Arena field is impressive. No issues for sourcing at all; this is a good list that just needs more incoming links.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 12:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep but as an NFL-only list. Automatic Strikeout  ( T  •  C ) 21:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. These records are probably the most significant season passing records in professional football.  The topic is clearly notable based on Google News Archive and Google News searches per the general notability guidelines of WP:GNG.  I personally remember when Dan Marino broke the 4,000-yard barrier for the first time; it was a huge media frenzy.  Personally, I would style it as a list of 4,000-yard seasons since there have been so few 5,000-yarders, and clearly the USFL and CFL seasons need to have explanatory text regarding different rules and longer seasons, but that's an editorial/content decision that does not impact notability.  Yes, the article needs work, but that's irrelevant to the keep/delete decision.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Very little quarterbacks have ever hit the 5K mark in the NFL. The CFL and AFL players probably have a lot more success in reaching the mark since they play on different fields with different codes and rules (and Jim Kelly, the lone USFL player is, well, Jim Kelly, a damn good QB), but they're still the same sport (gridiron football), so we should either rename the page to List of professional gridiron football quarterbacks with 5,000 passing yards in a season, or we could follow AutomaticStrikeout's example of making it NFL-centric. CFL and AFL aren't really needed since they can hit 5K easily. We could keep Kelly though, since the USFL has plays American football.  Zappa  O  Mati   03:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I can see the value of the list. Often times with a list, it is perfectly acceptable to have a "supplement to the list" which to me is shown with the different groups (i.e. NFL, CFL, etc.)  I'm okay with it as is.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:58, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Wow i started a quarterback controversy...maybe i should get a job with the Jets. I admit i'm a canadian cfl and nfl fan but i think i explained that the cfl is an inferior league in terms of talent.  We have had some top notch qbs like Warren Moon or Joe Theismann.  If theres any Bears fans out there i think youre gonna end up liking your new coach as long as they can find a good defensive co-ordinator. User:paulbradley316  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.198.46 (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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