Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of programs broadcast by Toon Disney


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

List of programs broadcast by Toon Disney

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Article has been completely unsourced for almost two years and violates WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Ahecht ( TALK PAGE ) 17:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Not a lot of people were around when Toon Disney was around. People need to know what shows had aired on the channel. Also the only thing that was unsourced was the Nickelodeon part. This list may not be important to other users, but it is to me. I say we keep this list and keep on encouraging users to find sources. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - A couple could be added on the main article ....., And we've encouraged users to had sources since 8 October 2005‎ and from I can see not one reference is there.... and Lastly we go by the references and notability, Not "importance to everyone" ... - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  00:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you ever tried adding source to the article? - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 00:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No because I don't generally edit Disney related articles......- →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  00:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, just because you never tried adding source to it and no one else has, doesn't mean it should be deleted. It is very difficult to find source for the shows that aired on the channel, especially at times like this. All the other lists are having the same problem as well. The other problem this list had was that lots of users been adding shows that never really aired on the channel at all. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It is very difficult to find source for the shows that aired on the channel - So therefore this list shouldn't be a standalone article, Most lists are sourced & If not they usually end up here .... You might want to read WP:GNG and Verifiability. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  01:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I know the guidelines. The only thing I found that was unsourced on this list was the Nickelodeon part which I successfully removed yesterday. After all, the previous template did say to remove the template onced the issue was fixed and I thought I was doing the right thing by doing it. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 16:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Most prominent shows network aired can be listed in the body of the TD article; the network never originated one single show created for them especially (the Jetix shows were usually originated on a Canadian network) and five years out this is outdated and not needed.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 23:20, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Change to Keep Now well-sourced; thank you AngusWoof for doing what who knows how many crufters can't; simply adding sources (I just don't have the time these days to go through and source everything).  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - All fancruft, All unsourced .... and it fails GNG. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  23:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as now perfectly sourced thanks to & there hard work!- - →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  02:59, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Merge back to parent article leaving redirect. WP:TOOLONG is probably not an issue here. If not merge, then Keep - WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic (talk) 03:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - WP:TOOLONG may not be an issue with a merge, but WP:V would be. I'm generally not in favor of adding large amounts of unsourced content to articles. --Ahecht ( [[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK


 * Delete fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY Secret account 15:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Keep - This is a programming channel full of reruns so it should be similar to Articles for deletion/List of programs broadcast by Boomerang which was kept. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: List of programs broadcast by Boomerang was, at least at the time of the AfD, properly sourced and verifiable. This article is not. --Ahecht ( [[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK
 * I'm okay about questioning the lack of sources to make it historically useful. I just brought up that one to counter the WP:NOTDIRECTORY aspect. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking back on it, that article had 0 sources when the AfD was opened, so the first keep !vote claiming it had sources was incorrect. The only other keep !vote was WP:ITSUSEFUL and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, which don't override WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I'm not sure that that closure should be used as a precedent. --Ahecht ( [[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK
 * It's confusing then how the other list was retained. But it's a similar list of programming for a channel that is mostly syndicated reruns. Toon Disney, however, is the primary carrier along with ABC Family Channel for the Jetix programs in 2004-2009 in the United States. The programming information pertaining to Jetix should be moved to that article, should this one not be needed. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The direction of the Jetix article has been to compact and refine, not add on since it all went away. And as I said earlier TD never originated anything new; even the Jetix content was sourced from Canadian channels, so if anything is added here from Jetix, it needs to be summary-only, not just a random list.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Being the rewriter on Jetix, I don't get were you are getting that Jetix content was sourced from Canadian channels. Jetix, as Fox Kids before it, had the Marvel Productions library plus the Saban Entertainment library then sourced various Jetix Animation Concept branded & other shows from various companies (SIP Animation in Paris, BRB Internacional, Sanctuary Visual Entertainment UK). The Canadian Family Channel seem to carry the Jetix programing under the Power Box name from 2004-2006 when it adopted the Jetix name. Spshu (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of the programming was Canadian, but the other programs were from the Marvel and Saban libraries which aired on Fox Kids and was never designed to be aired only on TD; the network never aired original programming until the XD conversion, which is the point I'm trying to make.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, Toon Disney did air original shows made for the channel like the Disney-produced Power Rangers shows on their Jetix block during when Disney owned the Power Rangers franchise. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 02:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Since most of the programming was shared with the Disney Channel or with the Jetix programming block/alliance & its Jetix Animation Concepts brand. It is easier to just link to the Jetix article or other sources of shows in the Toon Disney article then just repeating the shows in a new article. So, it would just be a fork. Spshu (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 *  Comment (leaning keep)  changed to keep, see below - I'm here because of a message left on my talk page. I think a key point of the debate here appears to be whether or not this list is verifiable. I am still thinking, as I don't normally do edits in this area, but TV programming lists appear all the time in national newspapers and TV guides. Since Toon Disney is now defunct, it is expectedly difficult to find verification for all the programming. But I think it is certainly possible if one is willing to dig deep enough. If you use the Wayback Machine, you can find snapshots of what Toon Disney's website looked like throughout the years. A few of the TV schedule archives are still viewable (not all of them, most of them look like they're broken). Here's the schedule for the week of June 8, and it appears to list all of Toon Disney's programming for that week. It also appears to verify that many of the 2004 shows in the list aired on Toon Disney. Still thinking... will look harder for sources. It's true that this channel aired a lot of reruns, but that doesn't make the article a content fork. This is a legitimate list of programs that aired on a notable TV channel. Mz7 (talk) 02:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Commment. Articles are not suppose to rely on primary sources in this case Toon Disney's website. Spshu (talk) 12:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles can use primaries such as press releases, but the secondary guides (yahoo, zap2it, tvguide) not connected to the company would be more useful. -AngusWOOF (talk) 14:34, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SELFSOURCE, self-published sources can be used for the purposes of verification for certain material. Secondary and tertiary sources would certainly be useful, though. Mz7 (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I just added refs to like 30 Toon Disney in the past hour. -AngusWOOF (talk) 15:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC), updated 16:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC) - see below
 * Update: Sources Added - I have added more sources for Toon Disney from news announcements across multiple media platforms and sources different from Toon Disney itself. A few of them are press releases that I am assuming are from Disney, but they are still covered in a manner that disseminates important information regarding the launch date and the premieres of programs on the channel.-AngusWOOF (talk) 19:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - The sources provided by (thanks!) now unequivocally verify that the shows listed here have aired on Toon Disney. Since the sources indicate that shows on Toon Disney are often discussed in a set with other shows, the list meets the notability guideline for stand-alone lists. Mz7 (talk) 23:45, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
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