Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of protest clubs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. (NAC)   S warm  ( Talk ) 01:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

List of protest clubs

 * – ( View AfD View log  •  )

This follows the deletion of both List of revival clubs (discussion)and List of pheonix clubs (discussion). This article was created, along side 'revival clubs', out of the latter. This article isn't as bad as those - in that 'protest club' is both a phrase and concept which isn't just a neologism invented by the article creator, and in principle the clubs might share some similarities which could deserve a list. As such, this listing is in part a test: though I think the article should probably be deleted, I'm aware that there may be scope for improvement and am willing to be persuaded otherwise. As it stands, though, the article is unreferenced, does not assert the notability of the topic or the items included in the list, does not state the criteria for inclusion (and includes some entities, such as AFC Liverpool, which have described themselves as not protest clubs (see these google results) and would be of essentially no benefit to anyone wanting to create a decent version of this article; it should therefore be deleted. Pretty Green (talk) 12:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd prefer that someone write an article called "protest club" and then let this list be part of that. Though I am sure that there will be people who try to find some loophole in the nominator's suggestions about how someone might write an acceptable article -- the "someone, but not I, will work on this" or "there is no deadline" (kind of the opposite of "the end of the world is nigh") or "AFD is not for cleanup" (actually, it's pretty well the only way that we get rid of a mess) arguments -- but there's no point in keeping an article if nobody cares to say where they got the information from.  I'm willing to change my mind if someone makes an effort to improve this.  Mandsford (talk) 14:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As above, this nomination is in part because of the deletion of the two related articles; I also support the idea of writing a 'protest clubs' article. My judge in these cases is always whether the existence of an article can do anything to assist anyone wanting to write a proper, sourced article: in this cases, I don't think this article contains anything that would do so. --Pretty Green (talk) 16:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I think it could be cleaned up, but theres no need to delete it. I'll do my best to source it when I get the time, which will possibly be in an hour or 2. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I've sourced the tparts of the list, so there should be no problem with it avoiding deletion and remaining as part of the keep list. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Good fixup by Thecofe with the addition of sources. Mandsford (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * But the very premise of the list - what is a protest club and why are these listed on there - remains unsourced! --Pretty Green (talk) 10:07, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, no the reason why these particular clubs are listed there has been added with the respective source The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 15:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect and expand - I agree with Mandsford's original assessment. Protest clubs are a very real phenomenon and a number of very well known clubs (Inter, Liverpool, Real) are protest clubs. However, I believe that the information could be described much better in prose than in list form. I would much rather see an article on what a protest club is with some of the clubs on this list included as case studies, and have the list itself be transferred to a subsection of the article or turned into a category. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Well, it seems like the 7 days of this being created has passed and the community has voted keep so can someone please wrap it up and close the debate. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.