Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of rappers notable for their race


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Doc ask?  15:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

List of rappers notable for their race
This is completely subjective. Who's to say you need X sources mentioning your race and then you're notable for it? It's a completely unworkable and unhelpful article. We should create a new article, Race in hip hop, that goes in depth and discusses the issues, rather than a permenantly misinformative article that claims to be objective fact, supplying a bulleted list of whos notable. By the way, it used to be called List of white rappers, but it was agreed that not every white rapper is notable by default. In sweden or the netherlands, for example, being a white rapper is the norm for hip hop. Basically, the title "list of white rappers" would be biased towards a view of conflict over racial identity in the american hip hop scene, and last time I checked we're a world encyclopedia. Urthogie 12:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Um I think it should be noted this was called "list of white rappers" until Urthogie moved it to its current title. I can't really understand why one would move an article to a different title and then nominate for deletion based on a criticism of that title. Anyway this information should be kept in some form, readers should be able to find people like Eminem, the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice listed in one place. Kappa 13:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Kappa, I moved the page because it no longer held the same meaning. We agreed that it wouldn't just include every notable white rapper.  So why would we call it something it wasn't?  Hence the move.--Urthogie 15:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Race is stupid, self-identification is subjective, skin color is not binary, black people don't *own* rap, this list is racist AND listcrufty. No, Kappa, this information should NOT be kept in some form. It should be thrown outta here faster than a speeding bullet. Emphatic Delete - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 14:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Good list should be kept in some form per Kappa, probably under previous name. Nom prodded this twice, renamed, nominated on AFD, and is now arguing for creation of a new article. That indicates to me that mor ethought is required before deletion. -- JJay 19:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If the list clearly explained rules for inclusion, and had cites to back each name up, I might have considered a keep.  Currently, it's just a list of rappers who's skin color is white.  That narrow fact, while verifiable, is also trivial.  Showing somebody is notable specifically for their race seems much harder to prove, and the list makes no attempt to do that. --Rob 20:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename to list of white rappers since "notable for their race" is POV (they are notable for nothing but their race?), and take out that POV header mentioning the "black hip hop scene". It's a notable topic and worthy of inclusion, but the article needs to be written/named better than it currently is. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 22:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? How does being white mean anything if you're a rapper from the netherlands?  Isn't that title POV then?--Urthogie 22:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Switching to delete per CrazyRussian. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 07:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment I find it odd that the person who changed the article's name is now finding fault with the name they chose. Darquis 22:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Emphatic delete as per CrazyRussian --Deville (Talk) 03:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete in both this incarnation and the list of white rappers one. -- Hirudo 04:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Another emphatic delete per CrazyRussian, regardless of the nominator's possible missteps. Grand  master  ka  05:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per the Crazy Russian. Kuzaar 15:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per CrazyRussian. -- ReyBrujo 16:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Emphatic Delete per CrazyRussian. Oppose recreation at List of white rappers (and, for that matter, List of Caucasian rappers, etc.).  ergot 17:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per CrazyRussian. San Saba 15:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per common freaking sense. 204.69.40.7 11:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per above. Eusebeus 17:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete for listcruft. What's next?  List of rappers notable for their age/religion/sexual orientation? -- Robocoder 01:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Jaranda wat's sup 03:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.