Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of rappers that have been shot


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Chick Bowen 06:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

List of rappers that have been shot

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Unmaintained listcruft. I picked a rapper at random from the list, Lil' Wayne, and nowhere in the article is "being shot" mentioned. Salad Days 03:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I cleaned up the article a bit because it's looking like a "no consensus" consensus is going to be the last word... but the page itself could still use some help. Most AfDs I have initiated which have been kept have been because someone bothered to clean them up, but in this case, no one who has voted keep has made any attempt to add references or otherwise improve the list. Thus, I'm still leaning towards delete on this one, simply because while the article itself is possibly worthy of being kept due to the newsworthy nature of rappers being shot, the article itself is totally unmaintained and in need of references. Perhaps it could be left on a temporary basis pending expansion? Salad Days 02:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. I am going to make an article called Celebrities who have been pied if this lives. Salad Days 02:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. OK, you guilted me into adding sources for most of the entries. I'll get around to the rest if no-one beats me to it.--Kubigula (talk) 03:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. It's an orphaned, uncategorized page- no surprise that it's "unmaintained." Anyway, I -de-prodded the article because I know that this is information some people are interested in, and no category directly covers the same subject. Questions over one entry aren't enough to throw it out entirely. -- Groggy Dice T | C 04:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to shorter list List of rappers that haven't been shot. &mdash;Brim 05:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - another pointless collection of information. I cannot think of a reason we should have articles of the form List of x who have Y. No more useful as an article than List of rappers who have half naked women in their videos - Peripitus (Talk) 06:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unimpassioned Keep or Recreate as Category - Sad as it is, were this for any other type of musical performer this list would be pointless trivia and overcategorization. As it is, getting shot is an important and status-building event in many circles of the rap community.  It is useful information to many, as is it interesting to those same people.  -- Y&#124;yukichigai 06:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I think this is a potentially encyclopedic topic that is actually somewhat likely to be looked up. The problem is, the current content is almost non-existent and there are no sources.  I wouldn't be opposed to what is currently there being deleted, without prejudice of recreation with reliable sources.  However, If someone wants to salvage this before the run of this AfD I would likely support keeping the article, provided that it lists more information than a category could provide. VegaDark 06:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This is maintainable, encyclopedic, verifiable, etc etc. as well as being a list that many users might actually use (which so many of them can not claim to be.) It obviously needs work.-- Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 07:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Although I'm open to a List of musicians who have been shot and then arranging it by genre. ("Who" because I think when referring to people you use "who") Specifying one genre seems to be subtly pushing a POV, which, even if based on reality, is not what we do here.--T. Anthony 08:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point, actually-- Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 09:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename List of musicians who have been shot and expand. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 09:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename List of musicians who have been shot so as not to indicate bias against specific musician type. Wryspy 09:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete even given the name change and expanding it to musicians, is it really that useful? What about stabbings, poisonings, "pushed down the stairs", general maiming injuries? And what of other entertainers and notable people apart from musicians? You may just as well have a list of notable gunshot victims over the ages (which I think may be a real category). Lists are IMO the bane of Wikipedia, people claim that they are "useful" when its just a matter of WP:ILIKEIT. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. --Eqdoktor 09:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There are areas where a list is useful or even better than a category. My print encyclopedia from 1969 has an article called "naval terms", but it's basically just a List of naval terms. (It's far far more extensive than the Wikipedia list I linked to, it goes on for pages) It's not an article discussing naval terminology and what it means in history, it's just an annoted list that explains varied terms. Likewise areas that need more explanation than a category can provide are good in list form. See List of people with epilepsy or many other things in Featured lists. Still I just said I'd be open to a List of musicians who have been shot, I'm still open to going against it too, and I voted delete on this list.--T. Anthony 10:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete What next - list of policemen who have won a lottery gah -Docg 10:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename as per suggestions above. Although a case could be made that more rappers per capita have been victims of gun violence, I agree that to single out one particular group over another is POV and, not only that, could attract not-very-helpful edits from people with potential agendas. Expanding to include other genres works for me. 23skidoo 13:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a list that will be hard to maintain. Also, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. --SunStar Nettalk 13:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Indiscriminate listcruft. Akihabara 15:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate the reasons that exist to delete this, I don't think it can really be classified as indiscriminate.-- Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 16:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per inherent silliness in lists of occupation/injury combinations. Bassists with knee abrasions or Tuba players who have been given wedgies, anyone? Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to fan the flames of potential OR, but you don't read major news coverage seemingly once a month of yet another world-famous tuba player who got a wedgie.-- Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 23:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * More's the shame .... I'd enjoy news like that - Peripitus (Talk) 03:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOT--Ac1983fan 21:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to List of musicians who have been shot. --- RockMFR 03:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - unsourced and Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. Addhoc 23:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as indiscriminate - anything which is along the lines of : List of people/professions who have been past participle  . There are endless such permutations.  Ohconfucius 02:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is arguable that musicians, and particularly though not exclusively rappers, who have been victims (or perpetrators) of violence are notable as part of a social phenomenon that undoubtedly influences their music. A list like this is just a directory of examples, and I don't think it is either indiscriminate nor does it push a POV.-- Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 17:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and possibly rename per above suggestions. The scope of the list is sufficiently defined so as to be maintanable and it establishes a notable connection between the people on the list.  You can make reductio ad absurdum arguments about almost every list on WP, but this list does relate to a newsworthy social phenomenon.  If there were anti-tuba vigilantes running around giving wedgies to famous tuba players, I think a list of tuba players who got wedgies would probably be notable.--Kubigula (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Starblind :: mikm t 01:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep rappers being shot is a prominent part of culture and a big status symbol. If the list was anything but rappers it would have to go, but this is absolutely notable, no question about it. An article shouldn't be deleted merely because it needs clean-up. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 16:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.