Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of references to Superman in popular music


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was nomination withdrawn. No prejudice towards the new article (Musical depictions of Superman) being nominated. Or not. It's up to you guys! Neil  ム  10:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

List of references to Superman in popular music

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Looks like this falls foul of WP:NOT in as much as the inclusion criteria are pretty subjective. Also has a serious issue with WP:VERIFY and WP:OR. EyeSereneTALK 15:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * [edit] Article has been significantly trimmed, but some issues remain (comment below) EyeSereneTALK 09:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * [edit2] Article is now sourced; nomination withdrawn EyeSereneTALK 00:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Yet another pointless trivia list. -- Kicking222 17:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete because it is a list of songs that just mention superman and/or anything related to superman and hence, list of loosely associated topics Corpx 17:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Partial move - Move all the useful and encyclopedic stuff to Superman. With the rest of the stuff, just delete the page, and don't bring back the trivial stuff. Don't allow that section to become a trivia list, either.  Cool Blue  talk to me 17:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep As the article indicates, the Man of Steel is frequently the subject of popular music that has no connection to the DC Comics franchise. "Kryptonite" and "It's Not Easy To Be Me" are well known examples.  Certainly, "Superman in popular culture" would be redundant, but the legend of Superman could accurately be described as American mythology more well known than Hercules/Herakles, Samson, Paul Bunyan, etc.  Mandsford 22:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. (or partial move) --Leocomix 23:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I would be okay keeping this, if it was cleaned up a lot, and the inclusion criteria seriously tightened. Right now, pretty much everything under "Other references" needs to be deleted, and definitely the entire "Other songs, which seem to have a subtle Superman connection, may or may not be directly about the comic hero" needs to be deleted.  Also, sources need to be added for nearly all of these.  I lament of this ever being cleaned up, though; maybe deletion would be better.  --Haemo 23:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with everything you said, except for the last five words. Mandsford 01:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I just have a mind to this; the point being that repeated "keep" AfDs with the assertion that it will be cleaned up are pointless if there is no reasonable expectation that it could be cleaned up. But, hell, I'll give it a shot right now. --Haemo 06:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable sources indicate the importance of this subject. Fails notability. --Eyrian 04:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at the article as I clean it up. This is very tiresome, but I'm convinced this topic is notable.  --Haemo 06:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, so as per the Featured List Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, I've tighten the inclusion criterion here to be Musical depictions of Superman, and moved the article to this new page. I also accordingly trimmed out most of the references; the main Superman already adequately treats the notion that he's a symbol in many different musical works.  --Haemo 07:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is about to be de-listed as a featured list Corpx 07:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Still, it's one of the best pop culture articles that are out there...which isn't say that much, but it's something to look towards as we try to clean up this part of Wikipedia. --Haemo 07:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The page is looking massively better with the removal of all the marginal stuff (nice job Haemo), but it still has a major issue with WP:ATT. Obviously it is the 'notes' comments that need sourcing (at they stand they come across as OR), but I since even the wikilinked articles for those songs are unsourced I suspect this might be difficult. EyeSereneTALK 09:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm fixing that by re-writing and sourcing the information in the "note" section; it's surprisingly not as difficult as I originally expected. You can see the newly sourced information -- mainly direct quotes of album reviews or the lyrics of the song -- is now added. --Haemo 22:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * More excellent work! I've withdrawn the nomination, although I won't ask for a speedy close as there are still other objections on the page (albeit for the original version of the article). Good work ;) EyeSereneTALK 00:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, the nomination has been withdrawn.... 'nuff said. Mathmo Talk 04:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mathmo. --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 02:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete not encyclopedic. At least it is referenced so we should be able to know that what's in there belongs there, but is a list of any passing reference in pop music to Superman encyclopedic? No, just as any passing reference to zebras, aurora borealis, Helen of Troy, love, hate, masturbation, or what-have-you. Carlossuarez46 22:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to reply, in its current form, it's not "any passing reference" -- it's about albums, songs, and singles that are about Superman &mdash; as in, they specifically depict Superman or describe him in some particular way. This isn't indiscriminate or a weak inclusion criterion at all.  --Haemo 06:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - at its current length and topic (depictions, rather than references), it may be best to merge this back into Superman in popular culture unless it's going to get really big again. Rhindle The Red 16:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete nn topic, I don't care if it's referenced, that doesn't mean this should have a page. Biggspowd 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you expand on this comment &mdash; I would think that the way one of the most iconic characters in American popular culture is portrayed in music is a notable topic. --Haemo 06:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - What unbelevably useless information this is! 75.184.84.89 13:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So, in other words you don't like it? --Haemo
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.