Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of referential songs

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:40, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of referential songs
This is another SamuraiClinton special. This article is utter nonsense. It might make a decent article, but what is here now makes no sense. It doesn't explain how any of the songs refer to the other songs listed. RickK 04:32, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I see he's on a bit of a spree right now. Rhobite 04:36, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The title is meaningless anyway. &mdash;Wahoofive | Talk 05:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, uninformative and nonencyclopedic list. --Angr/comhrá 05:19, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial, not encyclopaedic. Megan1967 07:50, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect. There's an existing list of these, it's called List of answer songs at the moment, but it should be moved back to List of songs which refer to other songs or somewhere. Kappa 10:01, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivial list. Why does the name SamuraiClinton keep popping up in these discussions? Should we RFC him then? Radiant_* 10:10, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * What is your opinion of List of answer songs? Kappa 10:16, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly happy with it, as it's rather hard to make a song that cannot be construed to refer to (or answer to) another song, and several of the entries are wildly speculative (e.g. The main guitar riff of "Top Of The World" by Van Halen sounds like the riff heard at the end of "Jump" by the same band). Bands often refer to themselves, their fans, their predecessors, anything. And note that said list diverges widely from the definition at Answer songs (if your point was that 'referential songs' is a better title, I fully agree). I'd prefer to have the relevant trivia covered under the articles on the bands (or albums) - e.g. "the song by this band is often regarded as a parody (etc) of ." Radiant_* 11:23, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, no significant content, unclearly defined list. Please note that "answer songs", by contrast, were a real phenomenon in recorded music, primarily in the blues and R&B genres.  "Answer songs" had a clear definition:  not "something in the song could be construed as referring to some other song", which is unverifiable and can't form a complete list, but "song was written as a direct response to a song popular at the time, and whose lyrics make that clear."  List of answer songs is legitimate and belongs under its current title; nobody seems to have called them "referential songs".  Barno 21:02, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Since List of answer songs contained a too-broad definition which included merely referential songs, I've edited that article and its talk page. Help would be appreciated in trimming non-answer songs from that list.  I do not believe the "answer song" article or list should include referential songs or be retitled thus.  Barno 19:16, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I've also added a bit of history to the Answer song article, which incorrectly suggested that the idea originated in hip-hop music. You kids today think you invented sex; why, back in my day, with punchcards... {fades into unintelligible muttering}  Barno 19:30, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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