Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of regions of old Armenia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Arguments for deletion do not convince. "Old" is, according to participants here, well explained, and it wouldn't necessarily be a reason for deletion if it weren't (but for renaming or editing). That this list is a pipe dream is not proven, and that someone's feelings might get hurt is neither proven nor relevant. Drmies (talk) 03:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

List of regions of old Armenia

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Reasons: 1. There is no territory called "old Armenia"; 2. No references in the article since creation couple of years ago Konullu (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 January 21.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  23:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete because of the following reasons: a) territory name is not clear. It is not clear what is "old Armenia". We could create articles about list of regions for "old Indonesia", "old Chile", "old France" with similar logic; b) Although this article has been created in 2007 by Armenian users, no reference was put in the article since then. Mrashidli (talk) 23:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC) — Mrashidli (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete Article express imagination of Armenian people, not the historical facts. Ali Ismayilov (talk) 07:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC+1)


 * Delete Basically it may be a can of worms. The phrase "old" in this context is problematic and ambiguous. The article is totally unreferenced, does not contain any time frame whatsoever and does not discuss the issue of contemporary vs. modern borders. Brandmeistertalk  10:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - No encyclopedic definition of "old Armenia", the article lists cities and places of current Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. without any reference, relevance and logic. 195.212.29.186 (talk) 13:47, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - This article hurts national feelings of neighboring states, as it claims that internationally recognized territories of neighboring countries belonged to so-called "old Armenia:   Best, Narmin.  195.212.29.189 (talk) 14:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 15:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 15:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It says at the top that "This is a list of regions and or districts of ancient Armenia". Click the link and you get to History of Armenia which in an infobox on the right you see a list of what is classified by historians as Ancient Armenia.  Links to those articles show maps and information on what was part of it.  If you check what links to this article, it seems to be a bunch of one sentence articles, which are on the list.  I asked people at the History of Armenia article their opinions on whether this list was useful and accurate.    D r e a m Focus  16:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and Source until otherwise convinced, I haven't seen one valid deletion rationale in this AFD so far, and a list of districts of an ancient kingdom is an encyclopedic topic that meets WP:GNG. I rarely agree with Dream Focus, but he is right in asking for expert opinion in this subject (thus the otherwise convinced comment). AFD is not cleanup. Secret account 21:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * User Secret, with all the due respect, when something is pure nonsense it may be somewhat complicated to opine on it in a more organised manner. That could be the reason of your impression. --E4024 (talk) 23:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename Of course, the phrase "old Armenia" isn't appropriate, but the article itself is worthy. I suggest renaming it "List of regions of the Kingdom of Armenia". see Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity) -- Ե րևանցի talk  01:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per Secret. Once again this is of bad faith as certain users believe that this is disrupting "national feelings". This is not a reason to delete articles especially when it can be easily sourced or the title of the article can change. Proudbolsahye (talk) 01:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per Secret and rename List of regions of historic Armenia.  Jackal  01:44, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep If you can clearly define what time period is referred to as "old" or "ancient" Armenia, then no problems with the article at all. Quite encyclopedic. We have Category:Regions of old Armenia which has additional information at its top.  D r e a m Focus  01:45, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
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