Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of religious ideas in science fiction


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  14:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

List of religious ideas in science fiction

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WP:OR (just like the image used in lead...), poorly sourced, fails WP:NLIST. Similar problems are found in List of religious ideas in fantasy fiction (now also at AfD) and List of fictional religions (soon). If we need examples of how messy this is - well, the scope includes every science fiction book in which the concepts of Jesus, pope, Christianity, etc. are mentioned, mixed with some sci-fi religious concepts, and all with works that are borderline sci-fi at best (such as alternate history works, etc.). This is just an extreme case of WP:NOTTVTROPES. The only thing that might be rescuable here are one-two referenced sentences from the lead that could be used to write a proper prose article on religion in science fiction (something I might consider doing in the future). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy, Religion,  and Lists. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  13:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Great idea for a prose article, terrible idea for a list. I cannot see a reasonable way of constructing a list of "religious ideas" in any kind of fiction while abiding by Wikipedia's WP:Core content policies. TompaDompa (talk) 14:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It is obviously possible to write a good prose article on the topic. I would love to see this re-worked into a proper encyclopedic article. /Julle (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Certainly it's possible to write a proper prose article on this topic—that source is far from the only useful one for the purpose. This list is however no foundation to build that upon, needing as it does both entirely new content and a new title. Deleting this and separately creating a proper prose article seems a lot more rational. TompaDompa (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @TompaDompa @Julle I started something at Fictional religion (b/c wikidata, and recently pl wiki has stubbed an article on this, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17364638 ). Although other framings such as even broader religion in fiction would be valid too, as, of course, more narrow treatments (religion in science fiction, religion in fantasy fiction). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:03, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete what even is the point of this article? In particular what is the scope supposed to be? WP:TNT this and write an article on religion in science fiction, or religion X and science fiction. Dronebogus (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Subject is noteworthy, any current issues with format shouldn't mean article is deleted. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 01:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Would that the format were the only (or even main) issue. The core issue with this article is the scope, the format mainly serves to obfuscate that. If we tried to rewrite this in a prose format, the WP:OR nature of the content would be unmistakable. No amount of tweaking the format can turn improperly assembled content into policy-compliant content. TompaDompa (talk) 02:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Assertion of WP:ITSNOTABLE is not the best argument. Perhaps you could elaborate? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Religion is a theme in many science fiction stories, it's too broad for a stand-alone list like this. I think a non-list article on religion and science fiction could be created though. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Almost completely comprised of WP:OR and unclear scope. There are probably sources out there that discuss the topic of the intersection of religious themes and science fiction that could serve as the basis for a decent prose article, but this list is just a mostly unsourced assortment of an unfeasibly broad range of topics that are often times only vaguely related. Rorshacma (talk) 06:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.