Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of revival clubs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 03:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

List of revival clubs

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The same mixture of Original research and Point-of-View inclusionism that we had at List of pheonix clubs whose AFD debate was curtailed by the author requesting deletion. Could only be justified if each entry had an unambiguous referenced source for the founder of the club saying "We've started this club because..." dramatic (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete Lacks any context Mootros (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep This was done in the style of many other lists which don't have sources except by going onto it's page which is the one I'd go by. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: You can't use a Wikipedia article as a source to say that a club is a "revival club". -- Big  Dom  09:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet, many other lists do. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that other lists do is not an excuse for this one to, all articles and lists should be referenced to reliable sources. -- Big  Dom  13:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep although I think it needs a better title. I don't think "revival club" is a commonly-used term or even one that many people will grasp the concept of...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Made up concept and title with no indications of notability. Nick-D (talk) 07:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you oppose to this page being renamed? The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 11:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see what different it would make - there's no notability here Nick-D (talk) 07:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete in its current format. There could perhaps be an article under this, or a similar title, but this current version is not required to start that so there is no advantage to saving it. --Pretty Green (talk) 09:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest a better title? The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like some evidence (references) first of all that these organisations are known as 'revival clubs'. That's not a phrase that I'm aware of and is unexplained in the article ("revival club" sport for example, gives only 8910 results on google. The term 'phoenix club' appears to be slightly more common and thus better (and see here) the point is that the term revival club is both a. unexplained in the article and b. made up by its creator!. --Pretty Green (talk) 09:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is patently ridiculous to call the Queensland Fury soccer club a "revival" of a team in a neighbouring country. It was clear that the NZ Knights were likely to lose their franchise, so a club was proposed to bid for the vacant slot. That bid was unsuccessful, and the Fury entered the competition later when the number of teams were expanded. Even if their bid had been successful, it could hardly be called a revival - I don't even think the Wellington Phoenix counts as a revival. dramatic (talk) 10:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly - the point being that whilst a list under the presumed ideals of this article might be reasonable (that is, a list of sports clubs formed as replacements for others which have previously collapsed) this current article does not do this as it has an arbitrary title with arbitrary content. --Pretty Green (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed the 2 revivals of NZ Knights which it seems that the problem was that caused this deletion request. If not, i'm sure there is a better name for it somewhere that would be mutually understood in all countries. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * CommentI see that the previous List of pheonix [sic] clubs was deleted and that this is a recreation, in part, of that. I think your split is better than the previous incarnation, and List of protest clubs is just about OK (though why not write an article called 'protest club' instead?) but this list still doesn't work. --Pretty Green (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete At present there are no referenced sources to back up either the article title or the lede. An interesting concept for a list though but too much like original research at present for wikipedia. I suggest a userfied article to C of E and a debate at the wikiproject level of whether there should just be a list of association football clubs or a wider list along with a serious attempt to find sources. This may be a notable enough list topic for there to be some sources but my assumption is not sufficient, if there are no sufficient sources then it is not a good topic for a list on wikipedia. Polargeo (talk) 14:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
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