Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools in Perth, Western Australia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merge to [[List of schools in Western Australia &mdash; page redirected; merge from history. --Haemo 00:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

List of schools in Perth, Western Australia

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Duplication of List of schools in Western Australia. Twenty Years 11:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.   -- Twenty Years 11:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep nominator suggested a merge of the two lists just a month ago diff there wasnt any opposition to that, and there hasnt been edits to List of schools in Western Australia to indicate that the information has merged yet, so keep until nominator has completed the merge then it can be redirected. Gnangarra 12:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Just to clear things up, the List of schools in Western Australia page doesn't actually have all the schools in WA, just those not in Perth? Or does it include all the Perth ones? Recurring dreams 13:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It has a majority of the schools in WA, and about 70%ish from the ones in Perth (from my quick scan). Twenty Years 13:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a look at the talk page of this afd I compared the two lists for schools starting with M(in Perth area only), its 33% not 70ish%. Besides the 33% and 70ish% discrepence, to claim its a duplicate all of the information should be in both articles. As I have already said you suggested a merge it wasnt disputed so do it when its done then redirect to the list of schools in WA to retain GFDL histories.  Gnangarra 14:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. Unencyclopaedic list which seems to be an indiscriminate collection of information. I don't see how this is helps Wikipedia.  &mdash;Moondyne 14:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Despite the nonsensical claim regarding a WP:NOT violation, this article is a clearly-defined, discriminate and finite grouping of articles (and potential articles) that fulfills the definition of the WP:LISTS; it consists entirely of schools in Perth. This is exactly what lists are designed for and there is no way to duplicate the characteristics of this article using categories, nor would merging this back to Perth, Western Australia make sense. Alansohn 14:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Listcruft meaning #1: "The list was created just for the sake of having such a list". I wasn't aware of any suggestion of merging into Perth, Western Australia.  That would certainly make no sense.  Also, the list is nowhere near complete.  Wouldn't a link from say Western Australia to http://www2.eddept.wa.edu.au/schoolprofile/home.do be just as effective? &mdash;Moondyne 15:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * it would be for current public schools, but it doesnt include private schools like Aquinas or schools that have been closed. Gnangarra 15:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, How about http://www2.eddept.wa.edu.au/dev60cgi/sdrrwcgi.exe?sdr0880 ? As for closed schools, there's none in the list now.  &mdash;Moondyne 15:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats a good source to confirm the lists but do we wnat to link to detail like that?, it's still only current schools. Gnangarra 15:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There is another site somewhere (I'll find it tomorrow) with an online list of private schools. I'm off to bed! &mdash;Moondyne 16:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At a guess, probably AISWA's site (http://www.ais.wa.edu.au). My solution to this mess would have been to fix the lists first then treat as an internal housekeeping matter, but I'm not touching this AfD with a 10 foot pole. :) Orderinchaos 18:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That was the one. Specifically http://www.ais.wa.edu.au/scripts/school-list.cfm.  &mdash;Moondyne 23:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How can anyone (let alone an admin) appeal to WP:LISTCRUFT, a blatantly POV essay, as an excuse for deletion? How is it that you "know" that "The list was created just for the sake of having such a list"? This list fits the exact definition of what such lists are for, per Wikipedia policy. You would need to find a policy (not an essay) that mandates its deletion. Alansohn 15:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * actually it was created for the sake of having a list of schools, back in the darker days when neither of us was admins and we were feeling our way for what was relevent content and what wasnt. I agree its kinda listcruft but dispute thats its a duplication as per the reason for deletion Gnangarra 15:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * [ec] Of course its an essay. Essays are POV by definition. Big deal.  I cited a policy in my !vote above.  Please explain how its useful. WP:LISTS:
 * Information: its currently nothing more than an alphabetical list of names. If there were (say) information about enrolments, establishment, locale, special facilities etc, it'd be more useful
 * Navigation: for one its incomplete, and for two most entries are unlinked (and should be too as they would be non-notable for their own articles). A category would do this just as well.
 * Development - Some lists are useful for Wikipedia development purposes.: put it into project space.
 * &mdash;Moondyne 15:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Essays are great places for individuals with a particular bias to share their own bias with like-minded individuals; it has no validity whatsoever as a justification for deletion. As an admin, you can't close an article as delete Listcruft, you need to address the real Wikipedia policies developed on the basis of consensus, not what the He Man List Haters Club by-laws specify. In addition to meeting the WP:LIST guideline, Categories, lists, and series boxes makes clear that lists have functions that can never be served by categories, especially the fact that it can be used for articles that don't exist yet and as a listing of potential future articles, all of which are functions that a category can never serve. That a list is incomplete is a point worth noting at the top of the article, but there is no requirement that lists be complete. As the article satisfies all relevant Wikipedia policy, it should be retained. Alansohn 15:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of schools in Western Australia then redirect. Capitalistroadster 04:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 05:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Jayvdb - ideally this would have been done in the first place, but we'll need to work with where we're at. Orderinchaos 13:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see: Articles for deletion/List of high schools in Victoria For some reason, the Victoria list hasn't received the same attention from editors that all the other Australian school lists have in these deletion discussions. Please take a look. Noroton 18:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.