Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools in Romania


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Romanian educational system. Even in the present form, the article is useless. I am closing this as a redirect, when lists for schools in regions/counties are created, this can possibly be recreated as the upper-level list. Tone 20:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

List of schools in Romania

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I think we can agree the current text is garbage, but even if this became an actual list, it wouldn't be worth keeping. A 24,500-item list is way too long to be manageable, and of these, all but 1600 or so are primary schools and kindergartens, only a handful of which are notable. A list of secondary schools in Romania would also be too long; I could support a list of secondary schools in X County scheme (Romania has 41 counties and a capital city), but this is not it. We have Romanian educational system; any relevant statistical information can be mentioned there. - Biruitorul Talk 15:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment List of schools in England was split and became manageable Francium12  18:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but 1) what's the point of such lists, in light of the non-notability of the great majority of entries (perhaps 94% in Romania's case) and the WP:NOTDIR policy? 2) with what would you propose replacing the current text, which in any case needs to go? Scour the Education Ministry site all you wish, but you will find no actual list of schools there. - Biruitorul Talk 19:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I would say the "list of schools in XXX" is definitely an appropriate list topic, so the only question is what is the correct scope? In answer, I would say the current scope is fine for now and the list can be split into smaller groups if/when that becomes necessary. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - starting to take shape as a useful list which shows the benefits of editorial improvement over deletion. TerriersFan (talk) 03:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are >13,000 schools in Romania . No way. English example is not applicable - there is not (and will not be) enough Romanian volunteers to expand it ... even to 1,300. NVO (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - the perceived lack of editors of a particular nationality is not a valid deletion reason. This is a classic case of Systemic bias. as argued below; potentially large lists are allowed to grow organically and split as required. TerriersFan (talk) 19:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * On the contrary. It's an indicator that a perennial hopeless unreferenced stub will not improve in foreseeable future. I would be more than happy to agree that the list will make say 10% of Romania's 13 thousand by the time of AFD close, but it won't happen. It won't happen by the next AFD either. NVO (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * TerriersFan, let's not raise the "systemic bias" canard here. A dearth of relevant, encyclopedic articles on a particular country is evidence of such a bias; that, say, Viorel Hrebenciuc or Cristian Bușoi are still redlinks would point to a systemic bias (one that I have assiduously sought to correct); but not here. That we do not list all kindergartens in Pătârlagele or Broşteni is refreshing, and given WP:NOTDIR (which is policy), we should not attempt to do that. And that some have inserted similar directories pertaining to England does not justify the present experiment either (see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS). - Biruitorul Talk 14:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I think we can agree that the nomination is garbage. We have lists with over 100,000 entries on Wikipedia - it's just matter of subdividing them, as needed per WP:SPLIT. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In my defence, it was this version I called "garbage"; I still think we can agree that that text constitutes garbage. - Biruitorul Talk 14:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and maybe re-create as something else This is hopeless cruft, and, outside the few notable articles on high schools and national colleges, the links added to maintin it are simply inane: the one under Dâmboviţa County leads to, you guessed it, Dâmboviţa County. Who can this possibly benefit? If we really need a list of high schools (which is what the effectively is and will remain), then create a List of high schools in Romania, mention all such institutions but link only the notable ones (or, hell, link them all). But to imagine that the article could, should and will list all schools in Romania is to pretend that wikipedia is a bureaucratic institution, and shows much misunderstanding of how the educational system works in Romania (for example, the fact that many primary schools and gymnasiums are simply named with a number, and that most of them are located in places that are themselves just barely above the notability limit). Just specifying somewhere in the article on one county/city that it locates x number of schools would be more than enough for the relevant part of that information, and it could actually be potentially sourced. Now, personally, I'd endorse any measure to reduce the hybris of having such lists on a number of other countries, or even all of them (per WP:NOT), but: a) I don't want to spend eternity arguing with passionate supporters of the system in place; b) whatever the case for schools in Western countries, Romanian schools clearly rank even lower as notability goes. To "save" such cruft "on principle", because not doing so would threaten other lists, is an argument from ignorance. Dahn (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge into Romanian educational system. No need for a separate article. TomCat4680 (talk) 00:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.