Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools offering the International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

List of schools offering the International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme
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The article is basically a huge list of links, and as such, fails WP:LINKFARM. It's almost entirely unsourced and is largely unmaintainable. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating the following two articles for the same reason:
 * &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Per Truthkeeper88's comment below, I'm also adding the following article as the three articles above are just subpages of it, and it contains no distinct information:
 * &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I second eliminating all three (PYP, MYP, DP) IB programme lists and vote AYE. ObserverNY (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
 * Delete. The three pages nominated are subpages of IB World School which also should be part of the AfD. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all articles serving as lists of links for IB world schools. Info can be found at ibo.org and is unmaintainable. La mome (talk) 22:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep all - valid lists that are properly organised. All contain plenty of blue links. The way to deal with the 'link farm' concern is to replace the external links with red or blue links as appropriate; in other words edit and improve rather than give up and delete. TerriersFan (talk) 22:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —TerriersFan (talk) 22:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably Delete: if the listings are available elsewhere; I would not think the lack of many blue links in the lists matters very much as long as they are fairly accurate but keeping them up to date is probably not worth the effort which would be required.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 05:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete
 * Passes acceptable completeness (list contains 1494 out of c. 2000 schools, so 75% complete).
 * Fails direct verifiability (there are only 2 references for 1494 claims). BTW this is a criticism of many list articles—e.g. most of the ones in List of schools by country.
 * Fails indirect verifiability (many entries are blue-linked to articles, but none of the articles I checked has a citation that proves membership of the list).
 * ...but maybe not yet?, because some of the linked articles need fixing. There are schools on the list whose articles don't mention IB at all, either in their article or in a category (e.g. British School of Brussels). Some other schools mention the IB in their article (without a citation) but don't have any IB category (e.g. Aga Khan School, Dhaka). Without the list it will be difficult to add the category, but checking every article will be time-consuming. - Pointillist (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 *  Keep Delete Very poorly organized. In contrast of the WP:DIRECTORY and WP:LINKFARM policies since one could go to the external link if one really wanted to find such schools. But, if it is verifiable (and more than likely is) and is at near completeness like the member above myself listed, then we simply should stick the one source template and the refimprove template and then fellow wikipedians will know it simply is a work in progress. It is not nessecary to delete the page, simply place the templates at the top of the page and sooner or later, someone will begin verifying and adding new sources to the page. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 23:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a pattern of unsourced lists of schools elsewhere on en.wikipedia, so it is not very likely that the list will be verified, is it? - Pointillist (talk) 23:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not entirely convinced that's true. This edit is from the end of 2007, and it's pretty much the same article as it is now, only now it has more schools on it. After eighteen months of basically nothing new happening, I don't think throwing a refimprove tag on the top is going to help. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 00:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment To the untrained Wikipedian, it may be fine with simply the external link. Unless it's made an obvious issue, (other than the tag at the top of the page which says that it is being debated for deletion) no one will really pay attention to the lack of citations even to non-members. I do realize that it has been a very long time since the last edit, but since members have enough audacity to prompt for a deletion why not spend this time adding references? It had been awhile since the Mortal Kombat (series) pages had gotten more than 5 references, I believe it was 2006 (when the last reference was added, incorrectly mind you) until I began adding more references earlier this year. 3 years is a long time, but someone took the initiative to add references, and I believe someone new will gain the initiative to do so as well. I personally did not know until someone started adding tags and refimprove tags that there were major errors in the page. Doing so here may provide the same response that it garnered from me. Just make it an obvious issue, and this article (and the related ones as well) will begin improvement. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that feedback, Subzerosmokerain. I see what you mean, but one of the special complications with the IB lists is that schools leave the programme—unlike most other lists here where membership never shrinks (e.g. once a game becomes part of Mortal Kombat it will be there for ever). Who is going to check that the IB lists are updated when a school leaves an IB programme? There's usually no announcement. Another (related) complication is that the school articles need to be IB-categorized anyway, and the missing references really belong in the school articles, where they would add value and be more likely to be watchlisted by readers with relevant knowledge. Maintaining all these references twice (once in the manually maintained list and again in each school article) wouldn't be a good use of editors' time. - Pointillist (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Well, I also see your viewpoint also, that would be quite a hassle. I concede my keep because of the availablity of the [] on every page. Looking at it now, I believe the pages that describe PYP and MYP could've easily had lists of their own of the major schools which offer the IB programme instead of separate articles. BTW, how do I do a slash through my vote and instead put a delete? Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 00:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.