Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of scream queens (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Consensus is to delete (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

List of scream queens
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Original research. The sources given are unreliable and do not show relevance for inclusion (and hardly any would possibly be found). Musdan77 (talk) 04:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete All except one of the items are sourced from IMDB, which is not considered a reliable source. I would also suspect that most of the entries just report that the actress in question appeared in some movie.  It's up to (somebody) to deduce that the movie is a horror movie and the actress is the leading lady in danger, and add them together to say she's a scream queen.  There's already an article on scream queen.  There could be a link there to some kind of fan site on the topic. Borock (talk) 07:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * UNDECIDED!!!, leaning toward delete (to the accompaniment of screeching violins). I can scare up a few references, but for now, these could fit in Scream queen. If someone more diligent (or interested) could find some more, I'd say it would be enough for a standalone list. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm finding some sources, but most of these offhand refer to them in general as scream queens. Some only have one reference to them being a "scream queen", occasionally with them saying that they don't see themselves as a scream queen. It's easy to say that someone like Adrienne Barbeau is a scream queen, as there are tons of sources referring to her as such. We can even call Beckinsale a SQ as she won an award titled that. But then we have people like Andrea Bogart that have only been called a scream queen in passing and never really on a regular basis. I do think there's merit in a list of scream queens, but I think that we need to elaborate what exactly makes them a scream queen. It's always been my understanding that merely being in horror movies does not make you a scream queen. Being a recognized face does, whether it's for a good or bad performance. This list seems a little too subjective, saying that repeated or visible (but to whom?) roles makes one a scream queen. I'll source what I can, but afterwards we need to trim the list down. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   11:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I've said this, but I'm also removing anyone that I've seen that specifically has no RS that specifically refer to them as a "scream queen". So far my only rule for inclusion in the list while I'm looking for sources is that they have to have been called a "scream queen" at some point in time. Even the article for scream queens says that you have to be more than just an attractive actress in horror movies, so I'm thinking that asking for an actress to have at least one RS that refers to them as a scream queen in some aspect (as opposed to someone who is just associated with horror films) isn't really that much to impose as a requirement for this article.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   12:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment My concern about a citerion that requires a particular term to have been attached to members of a list - such as scream queen in this case - is that it tends to be culture specific (and often fixed in time as well), whilst the article is supposed to be about a category of actor with much wider applicability. This list seems not to include Hammer Films actresses, those who appeared in other European horror films (of which there are a great many), Japanese and Korean actresses and so on. Yet some of them will be more notable for participation in horror films than some of those currently included. --AJHingston (talk) 17:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a really good point. The term is so incredibly loosely given and applied that part of the issue of this list is that we'd pretty much have to define what a scream queen is, what the limits are, and whether or not it's a title that expires once the actress in question no longer stars in horror movies or in movies at all. Even if the list were to state that it encompasses actresses once referred to as scream queens, there is a big argument to be had as to whether or not a brief reference in an article or book counts. If we count actresses that have never or infrequently been called "scream queens", then where do we really limit the list? At one point the list listed Mila Kunis because she was in four films that might be considered horror movies. Piranha and American Psycho 2? Sure, I can count those as horror movies. Boot Camp and Black Swan? Eh, not so much. Those aren't really the types of film roles that are considered to be "scream queen" type roles, especially not Black Swan. I guess my vote might be delete after all since the definition of what makes a scream queen a scream queen is so subjective to one's personal perceptions and culture. I know that there are big debates on whether or not half of the people on the list that have been titled as scream queens would even be counted as such when you consider how specific the term used to be.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   19:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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