Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of selected cities by population density


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus, default to Keep. WaltonOne 17:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

List of selected cities by population density

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The article has no defined criteria for inclusion, and as such, is useless as a list. From WP:LIST - “Lists should always include unambiguous statements of membership criteria”. The article's ambiguous title means it can't provide this. Further, the article is predominantly unsourced, and I believe the calculation of the population densities by users (as stated at the top of the article) can be considered original research. Hammer Raccoon 18:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep but define criteria. --DodgerOfZion 18:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep has some potential to become an interesting list although could certainly do with clarification of the criteria for inclusion. PatGallacher 19:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not just delete this and create a new page, e.g List of cities by population density, or something to that effect? Hammer Raccoon 20:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be far too large; this list is for more well-known cities, and besides, it isn't like this page is a lost cause. --DodgerOfZion 20:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, that page would be too large, so only the top however many cities would be listed - much like the article List of cities by population. But the reason that this article should be deleted is inherent in the title; there is no basis for inclusion or exclusion in the list. Where in the article does is say that "this list is for more well-known cities"? Hammer Raccoon 20:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - The fact that the title says selected cities implies there is no definition for inclusion, i.e. it's POV. On this basis the article should be deleted. -- MightyWarrior 22:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Although the title says cities, most of the areas are smaller communes, districts, municipalities, etc. -- MightyWarrior 22:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per eventualism. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing, and the information is fundamentally relevant to an encyclopedia. Shalom Hello 22:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and because the "area" and "population" of a "city" has different meanings in different countries making comparison either (a) subjective and POV, or (b) meaningless. Take "cities" in Italy which equate to the comune to which they are assigned; the comune may have more or less rural area assigned, making the ratio change dramatically; most cities in Europe follow that notion (commune in France, gemeinde (municipality) in Germany, etc.) but how the country divides itself into these divisions and whether rural areas are or are not thrown into various cities determines the density as calculated in the article. Note that according to our Communes of France article, France's 61 million people are divvied among 36,568 communes; and Comune tells us that Italy's 59 million people are divided among only 8,101 comuni; its very much comparing apples and oranges.  Carlossuarez46 23:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Perhaps it needs some work; the "selected cities" title is unfortunate, since the locations are worldwide and are chosen for their density, or, in the case of some notable locations, their lack of density. Moreover, there probably needs to be more of an explanation as to the criteria, although one can infer that it's based on the "city limits" of a municipality with its own government.  I'd never heard of Levallois-Perret but it apparently is such a municipality, and similar in origins and in name to Levittown; this is a good companion piece to Population denisities; the stats on Manila and Cairo are revealing.  Mandsford 03:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Manila especially, as its density drops by 1/3 if defined in the way other jurisdictions would define the city, see Metro Manila, which just demonstrates the apples & oranges of this. Take Hamburg, Germany, not listed in this article because the definition of the city is coextensive with the entire bundesland dropping the density too low to be among the "selected". Since density is not uniform, it is an interesting statistic but ultimately because of the differences of definition not useful in a comparative way. Carlossuarez46 18:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 03:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and define critera. Another victim of bad titles. --Hemlock Martinis 08:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not very informative, unmaintainable. Article about how densely populated areas impact urban planning and life style would be useful, a list with who knows from where and how obsolete values is not. Pavel Vozenilek 15:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Selected cities indicate a certain degree of bias. Had it been like List of cities in some state of the United States by population density, it could be a different story.--Kylohk 12:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.