Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of senior career goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo


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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 21:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

List of senior career goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo

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Per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:FANCRUFT. Literally the exact same type of list as List of Lionel Messi games. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 15:27, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a total WP:FANCRUFT. Not to mention the fact that it’s incredibly long, probably too long for a normal reader. Eternal Shadow   Talk  15:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

He is going to be the top scorer ever in the world's most popular sport and his personal article is one of the most popular regarding public figures, IMO this list is relevant for every fan of football (which includes a lot of people). This definitely doesn't qualify as WP:FANCRUFT. There is already a long list of his international goals, I don't really see the problem with this one. Maybe I can split the main list into years/seasons. I read the WP:NOTSTATS text and this list doesn't check any of the boxes. The context is clear and this article works as a separate article to further explain the stats presented in Cristiano Ronaldo and List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo. GaiusAD (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I do agree that it doesn’t meet WP:NOTSTATS but it’s borderline fancruft, not to mention the fact that it’s extremely long. Eternal Shadow   Talk  16:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Comment There are quite a few lists of international goals, including List of international goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo, but I don't see any others that attempt to be so comprehensive for all goals. If kept, that would need to be merged here as redundant. Reywas92Talk 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FANCRUFT. This is clearly not what an encyclopedia is for. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I have no interest in football, but it does seem excessive to list every goal a player has scored. I see that he has a page for his international goals, which is a Featured List, and international goals seems to be the cut-off for such lists, per the articles in Category:Career achievements of association football players.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - NOTSTATS/FANCRUFT. GiantSnowman 11:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep I would argue that this should be easily acceptable for players with over 500 career goals to have a full list not to mention that it will clearly get a lot of people looking for it. A List of senior career goals scored by Pelé would also be perfectly reasonable. This has had a tremendous amount of work go into it and is valuable and I'm sure it will get a lot of traffic long term. If it must be deleted here at least transwiki it somewhere.†  Encyclopædius  17:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I thought this was deleted before and I agree this is way over the top on statistics. Govvy (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above; I also seem to remember this article being deleted before but probably under a different name Spiderone  08:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per everyone above. REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 11:07, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Urgal (talk) 21:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You're probably gonna want to provide some sort of rationale for that !vote. – PeeJay 10:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – A list of every goal he's ever scored? There's probably some merit to the argument that the sheer numbers make it a notable topic, but by the same token, those sheer numbers make such a list truly unwieldy. I agree with those above who have cited WP:FANCRUFT, and I would also probably throw in WP:LISTCRUFT. Let's leave this sort of thing to stats aggregators like Transfermarkt. – PeeJay 10:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – per above, it's just too much. International goals are ok but that's it. Kante4 (talk) 13:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject is notable enough – every goal is described in detail on the sporting pages. The list is accessible, since it is in date sequence, and gives the sort of information his fans are likely to find interesting and useful in sorting out pub arguments, the primary purpose of Wikipedia. It could use reformatting though so it look better on a phone. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

The delete voters are all acting as if this is just any old footballer and pure fan cruft. But whenever I turn on the football they're always talking about Ronaldo and Messi and their extraordinary goal record and Pele is still regularly discussed. The goals they scored and their abilities dominate conversations in world football, this would get thousands of views a day. If it was a list of matches Federer had won in tennis it would be comparable. It makes perfect sense to document the top achievers in any sport in such detail.† Encyclopædius  19:56, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete – per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:FANCRUFT. As Kante4 stated above I am ok with international goals having article for record goalscorers as those games (and goals) happen less frequently and tend to gather more attention that regular club league or cup games, which tend to happen once a week if not more. Given that Ronaldo averages about a goal a game, that means that this article would have to be updated around once a week if not more. With hundreds if not thousands of entries, this would become difficult to monitor very quickly, and its encyclopedic value would be questionable. Maybe there is a way to merge some of this information to another article, but I haven't thought of a way yet. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 03:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)


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