Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of senior office holders of non-european descent in European governments


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The result was   delete. J04n(talk page) 03:40, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

List of senior office holders of non-european descent in European governments

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Original compilation. No references indicating possible interset in the topic senior office holders of non-european descent in European governments. Vague and arbitrary classification. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Classic violation of WP:NOT. Ray  Talk 21:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I know there is interest in this topic. All the article's failings to meet required standards RE: classification can be fixed. (ie. I am certain this pertains to what the definition of a Senior government post is that is consistent across Europe) WP:DEMOLISH Other than that my main defense is consistency; its intention is to be a parallel of these pages: List_of_African-American_United_States_Cabinet_Secretaries, List_of_foreign-born_United_States_Cabinet_Secretaries, List_of_ethnic_minority_British_politicians,  List_of_African-American_United_States_Senators, Electoral_firsts_in_Canada, etc etc etc BrigSockface (talk) 16:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In the case of the US lists, the lists have precise, readily identifiable criteria, they are in some case of legal importance (foreign-born secretaries are outside the presidential line of succession), and the topic is politically important and relevant to the country as a whole. A vague generalization across all of Europe is not useful or nearly as well delineated (what if somebody's grandmother came from Turkey? Is Turkey European or Asian? What about Russians?). A list like this invites invidious and spurious classifications on the basis of what somebody thinks race should be, and we'd do far better without it. Ray  Talk 17:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - even if the people in this list are notable, grouping them together into this list is not. Note that other stuff exists (eg the USA pages) is not a valid argument. 1292simon (talk) 05:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * delete - I think this could be split to individual nation states, i.e. Britain, France, Germany, etc, but I think the biggest problem is that it lumps all of Europe together for no apparent reason. Barney the barney barney (talk) 09:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Article meets WP:LISTPEOPLE, WP:BLPCAT and WP:EGRS.  Mini  apolis  13:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, IMO you are mistaken. WP:EGRS explicitely excludes super-ethnic grouping. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree; WP:EGRS permits ethnic categorization "as appropriate", which I believe applies in this case. All the best,  Mini  apolis  02:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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