Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping centres in Norway


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 20:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

List of shopping centres in Norway

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These kinds of lists are unmaintainable and prone to OR. Also Wikipedia is not a travel guide. --Divebomb is not British 19:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC) as well. Divebomb is not British 20:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Also, please see the following AFDs
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Bahrain (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Malaysia (3rd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Maryland (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Michigan (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Romania
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Thailand (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in the United Arab Emirates
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in the United States (6th nomination)]

Also...
 * Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in the United Arab Emirates
 * Articles for deletion/List of out-of-town shopping centres in the United Kingdom

-- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per these lists are prone to OR and Wikipedia is not a travel guide. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 20:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Why aren't all these identical nominations being done in the manner of an umbrella nomination? __meco (talk) 10:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Answer Because I'm not sure how to start one? Divebomb is not British 14:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. (Adding same comment to all articles above). I've read the arguments for deletion, for this and all the other articles listed above, and I don't see any valid policy-based reasons for deletion. Open to OR? All articles are, and if there is any actual OR, we should improve or remove it rather than delete the article. Unencyclopedic? See Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Unmaintainable? Maybe it will never be completely up to date, but no article will ever be - and a number of these articles appear to be getting updated fairly regularly. Unreferenced? If the individual entries are bluelinked, then their own articles will have references, so those don't necessarily need additional references in the list article (and if you think they do, just copy one across). Genuinely unreferenced entries should be referenced if possible, or marked cn and given some time before possibly being removed. But this is all cleanup, and that's not what AfD is for - you don't delete articles just because some content is unreferenced. Tourist guide? There's nothing "tourist guide" about any of them - "tourist guide" refers to prices, recommendations, directions, promotional wording, etc. These are just geographic-based lists, which are applicable to anyone rather than specifically tourists, and if we deleted everything that's geographic we'd have nothing left - everything is somewhere. Some are too short to be needed as a list and a category will suffice? Well, all lists start off short - and there are distinct advantages and disadvantages of both lists and categories, and previous discussions have always failed to gain a consensus of one over the other. At least some of these articles are lists of things that are sufficiently notable to have their own articles, and they just provide a collection of links to them - and that's one of the things that list articles are for, as a complement to categories. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all. See my arguments elsewhere in multiple AFDs. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:30, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Your arguments fail to address the fact that it is impossible to list every single shopping centre or mall in any country. Divebomb is not British 19:38, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How would that be impossible? I am not sure how an effort at writing something is impossible. I would think that it would be impossible to list everyone who lives in my town, yet every few years I get an an unwanted yellow book thrown into my driveway that does just that, and they even throw in a coupon for 10% off of sushi for a place down the street. Are we running out of words to describe things? How many malls can their be in Singapore? And anyway, Wikipedia only has articles on notable shopping centers. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP only has articles on notable shopping centers? It certainly doesn't seem that way: I looked at a few on that list and found stubs with no apparent notability or sourcing. Divebomb is not British 08:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In support of the comment directly above this one, I point to Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. NotARealWord (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

"the resulting articles need not include every tourist attraction, restaurant, hotel or venue, etc."
 * Delete -

- WP:NOTGUIDE

NotARealWord (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think "hotel or venue, etc". should include any type of commercial centre or tourist spot. Thus, I'm sure we shouldn't have these kinds of lists. NotARealWord (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep all as per WP:AOAL. Aeonx (talk) 06:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep  The list does not " include every tourist attraction, etc. " Rather, it contains ones notable enough for Wikipedia articles. The relatively few red links need to be checked to see if they are also, & probably not all will be  (I generally vote !delete on small malls, and some of these look a little dubious, or at least they would in the US, but the standard is not the same from country to country.   I don't think we should have indiscriminate lists, and I certainly don't think we should have articles on non-notable shopping centres. But this list is already well on its way to being properly discriminating, though some further work   is needed.    DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep going by the number of blue-links, it seems that most shopping centers are notable. Almost every new shopping center creates a large local debate, so I'm pretty sure nearly all the shopping centers are notable. Per WP:LIST, it is acceptable to create lists which have a minimum degree of notability or a cut-off point (for instance 20 or 50 stores). Arsenikk (talk)  12:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You're saying that the malls are notable just because they have an article here? Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. NotARealWord (talk) 17:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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