Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in Michigan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No solid consensus, thus defaulting to Keep. Rjd0060 (talk) 18:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

List of shopping malls in Michigan

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This list is composed quite heavily of red links and is redundant to the category Category:Shopping malls in Michigan. I created this list because I thought that it could be expanded beyond a mere list; however, that doesn't seem to be the case. Given that other editors have added to this page, I can't db-author it, so I felt that this warranted a discussion. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A category can't do what this list already does -- provide a (potentially? existing?) comprehensive list of the malls, whether or not they have articles; and a list of defunct malls and locations of malls. It seems to me this list may have an encyclopedic purpose in helping someone in the first stages of studying the Michigan retail economy, or just someone who wanted to browse by location. For whatever reason, the page got quite a few visits in December (ho, ho, ho) but even an interesting number in January and almost 1,000 hits in February. If there's an encyclopedic purpose that a category wouldn't provide, why disappoint all those readers? A sortable table with a regional or county column would improve it. Noroton (talk) 03:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of these, however, would be very hard to verify. Nearly half of the red linked ones would probably be permanent red links as they're very small micro-malls (Westborn Mall for instance). Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This site appears to be a reliable source for current malls. What size mall is too small? Beats me. It certainly wouldn't bother me if the list was cut down (in fact, it wouldn't really bother me if this is deleted). It seems to me WP:DIRECTORY may be the strongest delete argument. I'm not certain it's encyclopedic, but Shopping malls in New Jersey seems to make the case that it could be. Noroton (talk) 04:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On the other hand (just to be annoying) Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in New Jersey (which contains the immortal line: Shopping malls are to New Jersey culture what freeways are to Southern California.) turned on notability, and the article was essentially changed from just a list to an encyclopedic article, and the name was changed as well. That's unlikely to happen here. I don't think notability is a strong argument to delete a list, but maybe others do. Noroton (talk) 05:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls by state: States: New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island which has a further link to yet another AfD. Noroton (talk) 05:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions.   --  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined  /  C ) 08:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions.   --  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined  /  C ) 08:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think there's a set size that is "too small", but I do think that there might be some dispute as to what constitutes a mall. For example, Westborn Mall in Dearborn is basically a strip mall with an enclosed portion. Orchard Mall in West Bloomfield is maybe 50,000 square feet in size -- most malls have anchors bigger than that. Und so weiter. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral Categories and lists serve two different purposes, as categories can contain WP articles (and other categories) only, while lists may validly contain items which are not only not WP articles now, but also items which might never have WP articles. I don't think "the list is redundant with the category" is a valid reason for deletion. I boldly edited the list to change all redlinks to non-links.  At the same time, I'm not convinced that the list should be kept, either. Chuck (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The malls themselves are probably non-notable for the most part - any listing is bound to have reddlinks, non-notable unlinked malls, etc. Credo From Start    talk  18:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, this list is perfectly consistent with the other articles in Category:Lists of shopping malls. Many of the malls may not be notable enough to have actual articles (and be in Category:Shopping malls in Michigan), but mentioning them in a list is fine. The redlinks have been removed so I don't see a problem. --Pixelface (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Same rationale as User:Noroton, User:Pixelface. Royal broil  16:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep this list. Make it better.  There are red links because some vandal keeps removing the articles.Njbob (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.