Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in New Jersey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep and rename. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 06:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

List of shopping malls in New Jersey
Another list of shopping malls. Since most malls are not themselves notable, it follows that lists of them are also not notable. Valrith 11:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - The article is primarily about the role of the Shopping Mall as it affects New Jersey. While the presence of the word "List" seems to be throwing people off, a simple reading of the article addresses all issues of notability. If anyone does read the article, please provide specific additional missing elements by which notability is not addressed. If not, PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE before voting. Alansohn 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete This subject is adequately served with Category:Shopping malls in New Jersey. (aeropa gitica)  12:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, this article has a lot of information outside of the list that provides context (the "history" "role as public square" and "role as performance venue" sections) and could not be duplicated in category form. Andrew Levine 15:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The extra information you're speaking of applies to many malls, not just the ones in New Jersey. Therefore it would seem to be more appropriate to add that information to Shopping malls. Valrith 17:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The aspects specifically speak to Shopping Malls AND New Jersey. Alansohn 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete not notable list of not notable malls. Marcus22 16:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The article clearly addresses why the Shopping Mall AND New Jersey is notable. What about the article does not speak to notability? Alansohn 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. If you delete this, one should delete other lists as well.  Has some relevance, I guess.  --Dennis The TIger 16:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should, and no, there appears to be no relevance, imo. Valrith 17:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Delete served by category (see above). Probably History of shopping malls in New Jersey? But i do not really believe this one can be. User:Yy-bo 17:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename vote changed. User:Yy-bo 19:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge the history section into shopping mall (it is notable within the context of the United States), merge any blue-linked mall into List of shopping malls in the United States and delete the rest. This article was previously deleted under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls by state: States: New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island. I have no idea if this is an exact recreation of the deleted article, though. Tinlinkin 01:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep This is not a recreation of any article. It goes directly to the significance and NOTABILITY of the Shopping Mall in New Jersey, above and beyond that of those in any other state or a generic article about shopping malls. This is a clearly defined list that cannot be met by a category, which can never include the many malls for which there are no articles. While a portion of this article is a list, the essential portion of the article is a thoroughly researched and documented article with appropriate sources and references. Is this really any worse than List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people or the thousands of other untouched list articles that don't provide any context or notability for the subject????? Alansohn 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment That is a common argument in AfD's, but the answer is: Two wrongs do not make a right. The argument should not be 'Keep a wrong because we have others'.  Marcus22 14:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Please address the subject of notability. The article goes directly to the significance and NOTABILITY of the Shopping Mall in New Jersey, above and beyond that of those in any other state or a generic article about shopping malls. This article explicitly demonstrates far more notability for its topic not only than most lists, but than most articles. Perhaps the term List is throwing people off, but that does not excuse the failure to address the content of the article by any of the delete votes or by the nominator. Do people ever read these articles before they vote? Alansohn 17:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Oh dear, you appear rather UPSET. Well, speaking for myself, yes, I did read the article.  I still vote delete.  Marcus22 13:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, and rename to Shopping malls in New Jersey or History of shopping malls in New Jersey. There are four sections in this article, excluding the references section. Only one is a list; the remaining three provide useful historical information and context specific to New Jersey. Merging these sections into the generic shopping mall article does not seem appropriate. Accurizer 14:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Shopping malls in New Jersey, as it is more than just a list. Kirjtc2 12:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - ZeWrestler   Talk 14:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep an rename to Shopping malls in New Jersey. It is far more than a list, providing history and a start at cultural impact.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 23:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename. Shopping malls are to New Jersey culture what freeways are to Southern California. Daniel Case 02:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.