Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of short-haul aircraft


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List of regional airliners. And, if still needed, continue to merge material from the history as appropriate, per the discussion.  Sandstein  07:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

List of short-haul aircraft

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 * Short haul

The list of short-haul aircraft covers the exact same subject as the list of regional airliners while the latter article is better written and higher quality. The list of short haul aircraft does include more older aircraft, although it is by no means complete. However, I think that since the definitions and distinctions of regional, wide-body, etc. aircraft were not really clear during the 1930s and 1940s, it is silly to try to have a list of regional aircraft from before the Korean War. Since the list of short-haul aircraft is basically a redundant, ugly mess, it should be deleted in order to focus on the cleaner list of regional aircraft.Kbog (talk) 04:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  07:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Merge early aircraft material into list of regional airliners and Delete the rest. Certain seems like a duplicate and the small amount of text actually highlights the fact that they are referred to as regional airliners. They should, then, be listed as such. Stalwart 111  06:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Given the historical use of the term, I wouldn't oppose a Merge/Redirect solution either. Stalwart 111  06:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am in favor of your proposal, but I think we should make this article strictly about postwar aircraft. The DC-3, Fokker F.VII, etc. may be considered "regional" by today's standards of capacity and range but they did not serve the same purpose in airline routes and services because they were the standard size main airliners of the time. Kbog (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that would be a problem. I think the "last article standing" (after the redirection of the other two) will need to be cleaned up but what remains in that article is probably a matter of WP:COMMONSENSE. Stalwart 111  00:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Well, isn't this nice, there is a third duplicate article. That must be a pretty rare occurrence. I have nominated it too for deletion here . Kbog (talk) 17:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: I've merged the AFD for Short haul into this one. The AFD notice at Short haul now directs here and I've closed the other AFD and removed it from the log. Cheers, Stalwart 111  05:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge/Redirect per Stalwart - duplicate, but valid search term. Ansh666 18:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I will start adding these aircraft to the list of regional airliners to make sure it is complete. Kbog (talk) 04:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment there is potential scope for an article covering short haul airline operations, history, business models, competition with high speed rail, etc. But this isn't it. Can someone rewrite it? Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there might be some scope for an article covering the history but that should probably be at Short haul flights or something, shouldn't it? Stalwart 111  00:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Or short-haul flights, using the correct dash so the MoS people don't get uppity Ansh666 05:46, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh God, the MoS people will lynch me for that! Stalwart 111  06:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Hyphen hysteria! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge the duplicate articles per above. List of short-haul aircraft should redirect to list of regional airliners, Short haul should redirect to Flight length (where Short-haul currently points). Thryduulf (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Kbog (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep - those seem like sensible redirect targets. Stalwart 111  23:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Having looked through the three lists and the prose articles about regional airliners, I've realized that while the list of regional airliners may not have as many aircraft as the other two articles, it is nevertheless complete. The other two articles are only longer because they include three classes of aircraft which in my opinion should not be considered "regional airliners": medium-sized pre-WWII transports (e.g. Fokker F.VII), the wave of postwar aircraft designed as DC-3 successors (e.g. CV240), and medium sized 1960s jet airliners (e.g. Sud-Aviation Caravelle). I have in fact added most of the dubious entries to the list of regional airliners in commented form, ready to be added to the article if needed. If there is objection to not including any of the above types of aircraft, the discussion of exactly which aircraft to include can take place in Talk:List of regional airliners. Thus, in my opinion, sufficient material has been merged to List of regional airliners to render the duplicate articles fully superfluous. Feel free to review it. Kbog (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.