Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shows that are widely considered to have jumped the shark

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The result of the debate was delete. --malathion talk 05:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

List of shows that are widely considered to have jumped the shark
Delete. EXTREMELY POV, and nonencyclopedic. This is what I would call an indiscriminate collection of information, which is listed as What Wikipedia is not. The basis for each inclusion on this article is opinion, and the title is written in jargon. --Zpb52 01:07, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Jumping the shark. Hamster Sandwich 01:38, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * DELETE Change my vote in light of all the new info here. Thanks! Hamster Sandwich 23:43, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that this info was removed from Jumping the shark, largely for POV reasons. -R. fiend 13:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * How? By pasting the whole list in the article? I could see a redirect, but a merge? JRM · Talk 01:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, too POV to be considered encyclopedic. For instance saying the Simpsons has jumped the shark disqualifies the article by itself.Gateman1997 01:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. As if Simpsons hasn't. Keep. -- A Link to the Past 04:57, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * This is the sort of POV battling that articles like this tend to engender. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As if I'm gonna respond to such absurdity any other way. -- A Link to the Past 17:53, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sorry, but "widely considered" isn't going to cut it in this case. There are no references to be found in that entire list&mdash;except, of course, for http://www.jumptheshark.com. Well, Wikipedia is not jumptheshark.com. JRM · Talk 01:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV.  There's already a list at jumptheshark.com. -Ichabod 02:16, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, article has been here for three months and has had many, many editors. John Barleycorn 04:47, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to stress that a decision to delete an article isn't meant to hurt its editors. On the flip side, we will never decide to keep an article because deleting it would hurt its editors either. That nobody's suggested its deletion in three months doesn't imply it's a valid article; likewise, editing an article doesn't mean you would oppose its deletion. JRM · Talk 10:44, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV, and duplicates a section of Jumping the shark. There's been previous discussion of what to do with examples, and "minimize them beyond what's necessary to convey the idea]] seems to have been the consensus. Even the title contains weasel words! &mdash; mendel &#9742; 05:19, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't look back...!! :o UniReb 07:40, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV, unencyclopedic, irrelevant, duplicate information. Bhumiya Talk 08:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV trainwreck. Do we really need List of awesome TV shows, List of TV shows that suck, List of TV shows you're an idiot if you like, and so forth? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:04, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 11:33, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. For a start, I'd never heard of "jumping the shark" until a few minutes ago and the "widely considered" bit breaks naming conventions. But the content of the list is POV all the way, and even if this were to be resolved by adding references to everything (which seems unlikely) it would still be unsuitable list material for an encyclopedia and little more than an abuse of Wikipedia as a free web host. Flowerparty talk 12:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This was removed from the Jump the shark page a while ago for POV (well, and size) reasons, and I'm not really sure why it wasn't challenged as a separate article until now. It is obviously POV, and practically a copy/paste from the jump the shark website, which is exactly where these debates should be taking place, not in wikipedia. We have a link there in the main article, which should suffice. -R. fiend 13:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Original research, POV, and unsourced speculation. Kaibabsquirrel 15:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Inherently POV. Maybe an external link to jumptheshark.com can stay. Punkmorten 18:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is what the external link to jumptheshark.com is for. Fernando Rizo T/C 20:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep what's wrong with it?  Grue   19:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Obviously, nothing! All the arguments of the other people have been refuted. :-P JRM · Talk 20:10, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Nothing but POV - Hardcore fans never think that their favorite series "jumps the shark" when their opponents would think that the series did it in the pilot episode. The list could potentially include every single series that have been cancelled - and it happens to all of them eventually Skysmith 09:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - POV -- Chris 20:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. That said, there needs to be a way to list examples of shark jumping outside the main JTS Wikipedia page. It's great that the Cousin Oliver and Chuck Cunningham syndrome pages have been created to list some of these JTS examples, but there needs to be more articles similar to those, and then some sort of disambiguation page to list each of the JTS categories, as I suggested in the "merge" discussion on this article's talk page, which frankly I'm surprised no one has picked up on. Perhaps that would be an acceptable compromise. 206.72.11.46 22:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)]]
 * One final comment – I appreciate JRM's comment that vfds are not meant to be personal, and that usually they're made for good reasons. Besides, I've moved on to better things, so deleting this page may hurt my pride but only for a little while. Just remember the disambig page idea.


 * Delete - too subjective to be encyclopedic. One person's shark-jumper is another person's favorite show.  "Widely considered" can't be quantified.  Consider keeping if retitled to "Shows that have been cancelled or will likely be cancelled at some future date".  The Hokkaido Crow 01:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - nothing but POV... --Raistlin 12:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.