Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of socialist titles of honour


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The result was   delete. Daniel (talk) 01:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

List of socialist titles of honour

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This topic fails WP:GNG. Furthermore, it's a case of WP:LISTCRUFT -- an indiscriminate collection of information. Tchaliburton (talk) 04:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete for having too vague a criterion. What the heck is a socialist title of honour? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:41, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  Rcsprinter123     (tell me stuff)  @ 12:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete No secondary source is provided which says a "socialist title of honour" is a notable thing. BayShrimp (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete the other article too, for much the same reason. The information can be given in cult of personality and in the articles on each person and party. (The honorary titles can be in each person's article, and should be. The claim that the Labour Party (Norway) is a cult of personality, if that is a notable claim, should be included in its article.) No overall notability has been indicated by secondary sources. BayShrimp (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Conservatism-related deletion discussions. Mr Ellingsen himself (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep: [See below.] First of all, WP:DONOTDEMOLISH. The article is a WP:STUB (even equipped with ) and, by no means, written in WP:STONE. For instance, it's not settled yet whether it should be sorted by term or continent and country. Even the article's title is open for changes. Regarding notability: The list is double-covered by two significant fields of knowledge: communist propaganda and cult of personality, including (but not limited to) North Korea's cult of personality, Stalin's cult of personality, and Nicolae Ceaușescu's cult of personality. Thus, the article is notable. (We should avoid a banal word-to-word comparison when interpreting WP:GNG, like User:Tchaliburton and User:Clarityfiend intend to do.) However, I may also agree to a solution where this article is reduced to a mere WP:DISAMBIG, linking to independent articles and article sections like Dear Leader. My basic intention with the article is to gather this type of titles in a way that allows external Wikipedia users easy access to the information concerned. In other words, it is less important how this list is organised. Mr Ellingsen himself (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * "Regarding notability: The list is double-covered by two significant fields of knowledge: communist propaganda and cult of personality, including (but not limited to) North Korea's cult of personality, Stalin's cult of personality, and Nicolae Ceaușescu's cult of personality." This sounds too much like original research. Tchaliburton (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do you not cite the next sentence? '(We should avoid a banal word-to-word comparison when interpreting WP:GNG, like User:Tchaliburton and User:Clarityfiend intend to do.)' I am not keen on discussing with cherry pickers. Please contribute to keeping the debate clean and honest. Otherwise, you need to explain why you believe it is WP:ORIGINAL. Are you attacking the article via the title? Mr Ellingsen himself (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Because the next sentence had nothing to do with my comment. The reason it's original research is because you're synthesizing information from various sources to put forward new ideas. Searching for "socialist titles of honour" yields one result: your article. See WP:MADEUP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tchaliburton (talk • contribs) 16:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * A poorly chosen title is not a valid reason for deletion. The topic&mdash;titles as a part of socialist cults of personality&mdash;is broadely known, not least via news and literature concerning North Korea, but also within history concerning several socialist states and parties. Anyway, I recognise your concerns, so I have created a new, improved, and descriptive (i.e. non-normative) title: Titles related to socialist cults of personality. Mr Ellingsen himself (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Conditioned delete: [See below.] I have created a new, improved article with a ditto title: Titles related to socialist cults of personality. I support a delete of List of socialist titles of honour in favour of the new article, whose title is fully supported by a notable topic: cults of personality related to socialist propaganda. PS. I believe User:Tchaliburton has a political agenda. WP:NOTCENSORED. Mr Ellingsen himself (talk) 16:31, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What exactly is my political agenda, Mr Ellingsen himself? Tchaliburton (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: I am sorry for being so indecisive. After discovering the article List of titles used by dictators a moment ago, I've changed my mind again. Instead of Titles related to socialist cults of personality, as suggested above, I suggest the article title List of titles used by socialist leaders, which is far better than the two previous. This means that I support the deletion of List of socialist titles of honour. NB. My vote does not concern the other article, Titles related to socialist cults of personality alias List of titles used by socialist leaders. Mr Ellingsen himself (talk) 17:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This is just crude propaganda, an attempt to connect Norway's Labour Party leaders with Hitler, Mussolini and Kim Jong Il. TFD (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Titles related to socialist cults of personality and List of socialist titles of honour. The articles are an attempt by User:Mr Ellingsen himself to equate the Labour Party of Norway with Hitler and Kim Jong-un.  B zw ee bl  (talk • contribs) 19:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I am adding the following related article because it has the same problems:


 * TFD (talk) 19:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete for a combination of WP:OR (no reliable sources discussing this a s a "thing" and a clear attempt to push a particular POV equating democratic socialism with Nazism. Keresaspa (talk) 00:02, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a notable topic, impossible to create enough content for an article, fringe synthesis. Provides about as solid a basis as a shack ready to crumble. --Pudeo' 03:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * keep  and merge with List of titles used by socialist leaders.  DGG ( talk ) 05:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * List of titles used by socialist leaders was a third article created by User:Mr Ellingsen himself in an attempt to push his POV of equating the Labour Party in Norway to fascism. All three articles should be deleted.  B zw ee bl  (talk • contribs) 05:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * DElete them all -- It is totally inappropriate to compare Norway (a democracy) with fascist regimes, whether of the right (Nazi) or left (communist). While the ideology of the right and left may (possibly) be different, the effect is similar - a police state.  I regard the inclusion of Norway as an ATTACK article.  I do not know what the implication of "land-mother" or "land-father" may be, but I feel sure that it is quite differnet from il duce and the like.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:02, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all including the baloney List of titles used by socialist leaders. Mr. Ellingsen can fight his norwegian battles elsewhere.--Milowent • hasspoken  19:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Just in case it's not clear, I am also formally nominating the following related pages because they have the same problems and appear to be the author's attempt to circumvent this likely deletion:






 * Delete all. These are totally random - equating Nazism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Labor unionism, and Whatever the hell is Juche into one grouping is the very picture of a bad list. Bearian (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This list doesn't make sense, most continents are missing. Reawaken (talk) 05:09, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note that links to the parallel AfD (Articles for deletion/Titles related to socialist cults of personality) on the article's page and on AfD for August 7, have been buried by some sort of naming discrepancy and must be manually selected. Anarchangel (talk) 23:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries, I fixed it. Anarchangel (talk) 23:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.