Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of socialists


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 18:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

List of socialists

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This is a procedural nomination, since this article appears to have been overlooked in the discussion at Articles for deletion/List of socialists from Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands, which resulted in the deletion of all other lists of socialists. This last list of socialists, despite its more general name, only covers Western Europe. Procedural prod removed with the argument that this is a valuable list. Please note that I opposed the deletions linked above, but feel that we need to be consistent in either restoring those lists or deleting this one along with them. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 01:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * strong delete- agreed. It should go, which is my consistent approach to such lists.JJJ999 (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and precedent. JuJube (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per my arguments at the last AfD. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Delete- Uh oh. Zero sourcing + WP:BLP = delete. Reyk  YO!  04:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep but tag for lack of citations, and either cite or remove the entries for people who are still alive, thus eliminating WP:BLP concerns. Cosmic Latte (talk) 06:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, a position I had also stated in the previous AfD. There is no BLP problematic here, and a criteria for inclusion could easily be formulated. --Soman (talk) 09:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Reyk. BLP does apply indeed.  JBsupreme (talk) 10:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A useful page..just because other pages were deleted doesn't mean this is useful and or notable. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Another hodgepodge, randomly assembled list. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete "Self-Identified" shouldn't even qualify as a a criteria. Anyone can self-identify as anything, it doesn't make it so, and in Categorisation through Editor synthesis of the many numerous political views of each entry you'll find the list completely unmaintainable. It doesn't serve any purpose, and is a useless grouping. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Keep "socialists" is a very broad term, including in one sense or another -- at least by party name -- most 20th century european politicians. This needs further definition, and I think the first step is not to attempt a multi-national list at all. DGG (talk) 00:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC) But since apparently national lists have unwisely been deleted, we should keep this one and work on it. DGG (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Note that there is a Category:Socialists, but it is a parent category, while Category:Socialists by nationality is the comprehensive category. Why do I bring this up? Because lists and categories are meant to complement one another. There is no reason why List of socialists can't be a sort of "parent list" (sort of like List of philosophers) containing nationality-based sub-lists. Yes, socialist is a broad term (so is philosopher), but if it is a useful enough term to warrant a category, then it is useful enough to warrant a list as well. Cosmic Latte (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Clarification: This is a rather old article, which was originally organized by sub-ideology, then chronologically, then by nationality. The nationality-based article grew to such a size that it was converted into a number of sub-lists (of which this article was one), all the rest of which have now all been deleted, through the discussion linked above.  I happen to concur with Soman and Cosmic Latte, but we seem to be the minority. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 00:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you are in the minority--though I think national lists better, I had not realised they'd been deleted--so this can be upgraded in their absence. DGG (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Further clarification: This is one of the national lists -- it lists only Western Europe, even though the page was not moved to reflect this fact. It should be treated on an equal footing with the others (which can be restored, should there be consensus to do so). -David Schaich Talk/Cont 01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per the previous AFDs, redundant to category, generates BLP, OR, V, and RS issues, and so on. Stifle (talk) 17:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


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