Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of socialists from Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands


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The result was   Delete all. Fram (talk) 08:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

List of socialists from Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands

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Per consensus at Articles for deletion/List of socialists from Eastern Europe we do not have any references for these lists and they appear to be a potential BLP nightmare. The lack of proper inclusion criteria and total absence of sourcing make them useless. Spartaz Humbug! 20:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

also bundling the following as they all have the same faults. Spartaz Humbug! 20:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)




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 * Delete all. There are very few independent references to support these "claims" of being a socialist. Therefore a definite breach of WP:BLP. WWGB (talk) 01:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all per BLP issues and also the fact that it doesn't seem to be a notable unifier. TravellingCari  03:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions.   —SimonLyall (talk) 06:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all - IS this going to list every left wing politician in all those countries? - SimonLyall (talk) 06:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete All, some of these people are socialists alright, but the complete lack of references makes the whole thing a BLP nightmare. Not to mention that the definition of "socialist" is fuzzy enough that inclusions on such a list is inherently subjective (ie: is Julia Gillard a socialist?).  Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC).
 * Delete all It would be a rather long list if it were completed!!! It's like "list of Anglicans" or "list of Australian republic supporters", except even less encyclopaedic as "Are you a socialist?" was never a question asked at a census or referendum. Orderinchaos 23:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to do this after the first "test case" AFD that I submitted closed, but forgot. Delete all as a serious BLP risk. Stifle (talk) 14:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep all, where's the BLP problem? socialism is a rather well-defined concept. The articles could need some copyediting, specifying that only notable socialists are included, but generally these list are of good quality. --Soman (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have an opinion one way or the other. This is mostly my work. I can definitely see the flaws, but I can also see the uses. We have categories now so this might make the lists redundant. This list is useful to me personally, so I might create a cut-down version in my user space. —Sesel (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * delete. can see the use of the list, can't think of a good reason to keep it; might be better as a category? you know, so as to avoid proliferation of lists of "conservatives from ANZ&TPI" and list of "marxists from", etc, etc and the ensuing AFD-fest that ensues. plan 8 (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Soman. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 00:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all - obviously articles should have categories, but creating lists for random intersections is just weird. PhilKnight (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all, quickly Am I not a socialist if I'm not on the list? This is a useless bit of WikiSpace BMW  (drive)  22:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


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