Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about Birmingham, Alabama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Foxy Loxy Pounce! 11:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

List of songs about Birmingham, Alabama

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Trivial intersection. None of these songs have anything in common besides having "Birmingham" in the title. The list is unsourced. (For instance, how do we know that Tracy Lawrence isn't singing about painting a Birmingham, Michigan or a Birmingham, UK?) Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Your complaints doesn't appear to be about the value of the list, but about the quality of the contents. Sounds more like the page should have a cleanup and an effort to get the citations. Suggest withdrawning and adding appropriate template tags. -- Kickstart70 - T - C 17:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it meets the criteria at WP:SALAT. How is this an appropriate list? There's no common thread to these songs besides that they merely mention Birmingham. Tracy Lawrence's "Paint Me a Birmingham" doesn't specifically say Birmingham, Alabama, so isn't it original research to say that said song mentions that Birmingham? Furthermore, do you think that this can possibly be sourced beyond "oh, look, this song has Birmingham in the title"? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In many ways I agree with you, and uncited entries should be deleted. However, it takes little effort to determine whether the artist has intended, and announced that intention, for the song to be about Birmingham Alabama. If there is no announcement of intention, of course that entry doesn't belong. In other words, the same rules for fact inclusion and citations apply here as they do on every Wikipedia page. -- Kickstart70 - T - C 18:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as I don't see how this list is different from List of songs about Boston, List of songs about London, List of songs about New York City, List of songs about Manchester, List of songs about Melbourne, List of songs about New Orleans, Songs about the September 11 attacks or other lists at Category:Dynamic lists of songs. Can the nominator explain what part of SALAT he thinks this or those other list violates? Because what I gather from the nomination ("how do we know that Tracy Lawrence isn't singing about painting a Birmingham, Michigan"), the issue is about individual songs not the list. We66er (talk) 18:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As for SALAT, how does this list show any interest to anyone besides the creator? People sing about towns all the time, do we really need a list of every song that makes a mention of a certain town? I think that most of those other lists should probably go as well, but I'll look at them individually. Furthermore, is the Tracy Lawrence example really about Birmingham, when it's really about a man asking someone to paint him a picture? There's no real criterion for inclusion here either. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "People sing about towns all the time, do we really need a list of every song that makes a mention of a certain town?" So are you proposing to delete List of songs about Boston, List of songs about London, List of songs about New York City, List of songs about Manchester, List of songs about Melbourne, and List of songs about New Orleans? Why'd you just pick Birmingham, Alabama? We66er (talk) 21:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it was the first one I noticed. Since the lists are of varying quality, I felt that it wouldn't be a good idea to do a bundle afd, and instead I chose to list one first to see what others thought. And yes, I might indeed list some of those as well.  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: This article and others like it are useful. There are lots of lists of songs about X (not just cities) on Wikipedia and the argument for deletion presented above does not single this list out from the rest.  I don't think there is a problem with criteria for inclusion for these lists, as long as sources are cited for questionable songs. Amazinglarry (talk) 21:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think that We666er's argument is sound. Perhaps more discussion about the "system of lists" referred to in SALAT would lead to a more specific policy about this type of list. --Dystopos (talk) 21:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:LC items 1-4 and 10. Stifle (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, WP:LC is an essay, not a guideline or a policy. It's perfectly valid to refer to its arguments in making your own, but those arguments aren't representative of previously-established consensus. --Dystopos (talk) 16:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


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