Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about drugs other than heroin

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete, however there does seem to be a rough consensus that we don't need a separate list for heroin. Therefore I will follow the suggestion of moving this to List of songs about drugs, then merge List of songs about heroin into it. Since yours truly is truly a lazy administrator, the first version will be crude, and it will have the heroin list as a separate section. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:32, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

List of songs about drugs other than heroin
Of little to no encyclopedic value, and generally unnecessary. --Tothebarricades July 8, 2005 22:35 (UTC) If this list is deleted because it's not encyclopedic, pretty much all lists of songs would have to be deleted. --Fritz Saalfeld 08:20, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, helpful to understanding how drug issues are portrayed in song, and by whom. Kappa 8 July 2005 22:44 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic. (Why exclude heroin, anyway?) A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  July 9, 2005 00:13 (UTC)
 * Rename into List of songs about drugs; then, IMO, merge List of songs about heroin into this. I understand the need for an article about drugs in music, but the classifications are screwed up right now; who would ever search and find this article under this name?  Dcarrano July 9, 2005 01:15 (UTC)
 * That's why we have separate lists already. I wish the creator of this article had looked at what lists were already up before creating this one.Daniel Case 19:39, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non encyclopedic drini &#9742; 9 July 2005 01:20 (UTC)
 * Merge per DCarrano, although "recreational drugs" might be clearer. Gazpacho 9 July 2005 01:51 (UTC)
 * Rename and merge per Dcarrano, but are they not actually "classified" or "illegal" drugs? -Splash 9 July 2005 01:53 (UTC)
 * What is classified and/or illegal in one country is not necessarily classified and/or illegal in another. Chuck 01:36, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Either merge into one list of songs about drugs (which can be subdivided within), or split up into lists of songs about various drugs (cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, etc.) I suspect there are enough to justify the split. -- BD2412 talk July 9, 2005 03:07 (UTC)
 * Already done ... I created list of songs about marijuana and list of songs about cocaine last week. Do people actually look at these categories before they go here and make statements about whether things should be deleted or not?Daniel Case 19:39, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unmaintainable unencyclopedic list. JamesBurns 9 July 2005 03:48 (UTC)
 * Merge per DCarrano. One list about drugs is encyclopedic, given that the references are often in coded langauge and obscure to the "un-hip" Xoloz 9 July 2005 04:45 (UTC)
 * But it would be way too big if combined.Daniel Case 19:39, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It is an alphabetical list, and can be searched or tabbed easily; if one wishes to view all drugs songs, then one will simply have to confront the fact that there are many songs about drugs.  Distinctions based on drug type seem arbitrary to me (other than, perhaps a distinction of legality to exclude alcohol, caffiene, and nicotine, which are widely legal, and substantially different in their level of social acceptability.) Xoloz 02:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There's already a list of songs about drinking to cover alcohol. Every list of songs about drugs I've ever seen, going back to the original Rock Source Book in the late 1970s, divided it by type of drug if it was specific.Daniel Case 04:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * And that doesn't change the fact that it would still be way too long and unwieldy. Combine it into one list of songs about drugs, and I guarantee you that within a week the edit page will warn that it's getting too long and people on the Talk page will be talking about organizing separate lists for cocaine, marijuana, heroin etc.Daniel Case 04:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and another thing: Heroin, cocaine and marijuana all have song lists specific to those drugs (My proposal is, once the standalone lists are substantially complete, to propose over there that those sections simply link to the lists).Daniel Case 04:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Correction: cannabis (drug) does not have a song list. But the other two do.Daniel Case 04:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if you are arguing that a merged "drug" list wouldn't survive because of complaints from editors about its length, I'll defer to your judgment, because you have more experience with those editors. I'm afraid, though, that this will leave you with a harder case for VfD in the future. Distinctions by drug may be practical, but I don't think they're either intuitive or independently significant. Xoloz 08:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Defining what is a drug for the purposes of this list strikes me as pretty POV... "I like coffee, I like tea..." Grutness...  wha?  9 July 2005 05:43 (UTC)
 * BJAODN. Delete along with list of songs about cities other than Paris and list of songs about body parts other than the ear. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 9, 2005 08:08 (UTC)
 * Copied, reorganized and reworded it on User:Sasquatch/List_of_songs_about_drugs. I think recreational drug use is the most common definition for the word "drug" (as opposed to medicinal use). What do you guys/gals think? Think the topic definetly warrants inclusion, afterall we have a List of songs containing the name of a ship, aircraft or spacecraft and List of songs about nuclear war. Drugs certainly compare to those... Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions July 9, 2005 08:45 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Rename and replace. Flowerparty 9 July 2005 13:34 (UTC)
 * Delete A list of songs about drugs would, as the three about specific drugs would show if combined, be far too long. Once I get around to creating "List of songs about hallucinogens," then it would be prudent to have a list of songs about other drugs (since I think there really aren't enough about, say, amphetamines to justify a specific list for that) and a list of songs about drugs in general (Lynyrd Skynyrd's "That Smell," for instance).Daniel Case 19:34, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, listsofsongscruft. --Idont Havaname 20:38, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all the separate lists per drug - they could be merged into an article about "narcotics use in the music business" or something like that. However, since there seem to be controversy about what songs actually are about drug use (outside commentators claim some song is drug-derived when the songwriter disagrees) that should be limited to "admitted" examples. (Moreover. I think that any list of song could be merged into an article about the issue - various historical articles also have references to derived fiction, for example) - Skysmith 11:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, we really should be having this argument on the talk pages for the separate lists. And the lists you could keep grow lengthy enough that they merely crowd up the articles in question, as I've been arguing.Daniel Case 06:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep seperate. And delete. This is a delete vote.     22:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. I actually think that there is good reason for the page; there is already a page about Heroin specifically, of which there are man. However, I think the best option is to combine the two pages. Folkor 19:16, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, rename and merge to Sasquatch's proposal. Should it get too long, one can still split it into seperate articles later.
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