Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about friendship (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. --Core desat 02:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

List of songs about friendship
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Relisting per Articles for deletion/List of songs about weather. To summarize: WP:NOT collection of indiscriminate information. Friendship, love, parental-relationship. It's all very POV in the end. Bulldog123 21:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as WP:NOT. Loosely associated topic, far too broad. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 22:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 05:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 05:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as arbitrary, OR and POV, before someone creates List of songs about love. (Please don't.  This means you.) --Butseriouslyfolks 05:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Once upon a time there was Articles for deletion/List of songs about sex. Pavel Vozenilek 15:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete WP:NOT, need I say more? Rackabello 05:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as per AfD debate on 9 September 2006. The result then was No Consensus . My reasons on keeping have not changed. I expect again a 'No Consensus', but we shall see.. Besides, there is a difference between songs about friendship and List of songs about love: Feldspar is a verry common mineral, while diamond is verry rare. A Ford car is seen verry often in traffic, a Bugatti Veyron only if you know were to look. My point: Lovesongs are the most common, as it is the most universal theme of emotions. Logically, 80% of the songs deal about this. The theme 'Friendship' is a different emotion, and songs about it aren't that common. This fact makes this list manageable . one can't compare Apples with Pears ;) --Patrick1982 12:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This would warrant a list for everything mentioned in a song except love because anything else mentioned is "rare" compared to mentions of love. This would render it unmaintainable and unlimited.   I would also consider friendship to be a categeory that encompasses love, since its not easy to love without having a friendship, making friendship a bigger category than love.  Corpx 08:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - 1. Vague inclusion criteria. What constitutes a song's being "about" friendship? A mention of friends or being friends with someone? 2. Fails WP:NOT as it draws together songs from across every style, genre and era that have nothing in common besides this vague sense of being "about" the same thing. Otto4711 15:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vaguely defined, potentially immense (think about the whole world), currently it is just a list of names w/o context with low to no value for a reader. Pavel Vozenilek 15:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep We probably are making a mistake in deleting these lists. Many many songs mention friendship, some are primarily about it, and enough to make a list appropriate. The title should be changed (or clearly interpreted as ) Songs primarily about friendship, or an equivalent phrase. This is a good place to stop deleting these articles. it's not a mere list, there are obvious groups used, and it includes songs by notable artists for which we do not have a separate article, so it can't be replaced by a category. DGG 23:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you not think that "mentioning friendship" is a loose criteria for inclusion? Corpx 08:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as love and frienship are often confounded and confused, songs "about" them are as well. And how "about" the topic does a song need to be? Let's consult the article (unsourced as it is) for wisdom: Looks like having "friend" in the title is good indication (ok, but the Cars' "My Best Friend's Girl"? "...she used to be mine" seems more about lost love and jealousy but heck I'm gay and don't particularly understand the emotions, perhaps. "We are Family"? Great gay anthem, that; but the actual lyrics seem more about bonds of blood than of friendship. Without sourcing it's all just a POV OR list. Carlossuarez46 19:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Userfy to User:MrFizyx/songs/List of songs about friendship, I'll later look into sourcing an article on a similar topic. -MrFizyx 07:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete - Wikipedia is NOT a song database. As per WP:LISTCRUFT, this list qualifies as unlimited list as it is in no way possible to catalog all the songs out there.  By the way these lists are going, every line in every song would categorize it in a list somewhere.  Article also fails WP:NOT in that it is a list of loosely associated topics.  Only thing these items have in common are that they're songs and they somehow relate to the broad category of freindship.   Unless explicitely stated, the lyrics are open to subjective interpretation, like MakeDamnSure, which mentions the interpretation of rape.  The first song I recognize on that list, "All my rowdy friends are coming over tonight" is not a song about friendship - its rather about getting drunk and partying. Lyrics.  This again goes back to the point that this list not being maintainable, as well as being a list of extremely loosely assosiated topics.   As "All my rowdy friends are coming over tonight" illustrates, its inclusion was based solely on a word (or a dependant clause) in the song - showing how loose the inclusion standards are.  Corpx 08:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are some precedents for lists like this one Articles for deletion/List of English songs whose title includes the name of a landmark, Articles for deletion/List of songs with the word "song" in their title or lyrics, Articles for deletion/List of English songs whose title includes the name of a fictional place, Articles for deletion/List of songs whose title includes a phone number (3rd nomination), Articles for deletion/List of songs that are also the name of a TV show, Articles for deletion/List of songs whose title includes dates and times - All of these lists would be more uncommon/unique than friendship/love Copied the list from Masaruemoto's comments on a different page Corpx 08:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.